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[–]Drewski[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ray Epps seems such a straw man concern. A more clear, obvious, and easily verifiable concern, to me, is Sullivan:

(There must be a struggle by many to ensure this info isn't censored by Wiki manipulation/censorship mobsters)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Earle_Sullivan

The wiki leaves a few details that are important to me, maybe part the censorship struggle: * Not highlighted or corroborated enough: Sullivan was widely assumed a confidential informant. * When, shortly before Jan6, a Judge's order banned the Proud Boys leader, Enrique Tarrio, a person of color, from protesting, it struck me as a hugely under-highlighted blocking of Constitutional rights. * While the Proud Boys' leadership was suppressed, green and non-member, Sullivan, pushed himself into the leadership position. Despite the resistance of real Proud Boys members, Sullivan stole the show by co-opting and taking of the army of protest-protector volunteers, which they had amassed over months of planning. Sullivan reportedly coup'd the volunteers, convincing them to move to a different chat room, and took control. * On Jan6 Sullivan is known to have exerted and encouraged violence. He was apparently the only one with the Proud Boys who was insinuating or suggesting that they were there for any nefarious or criminal reason, in contrast to the Proud Boys' heavily documented and meticulous plan to protect protesters. * It seems almost impossible that Sullivan wasn't one of the confidential informants that turned states evidence on the Proud Boys, which is ironic with him being the one with a knife, supporting violence, and urging criminal actions similar to insurrection, then turning around to be the evidence of the Proud Boys doing this (which they had tons of evidence showing they did not). * When CNN and other blood thirsty news outlets paid for rights to Sulivan's image of unarmed protester and US veteran, Ashli Babbitt, being murdered, they immediately grew fearful of Racketeering Charges. This was when the "citizen journalist" excuse was whipped up for him. Later courts forced him to give most of the money back, ruling it was wrong to give or receive money for it. * Last I checked, Sulivan was still never convicted and had most of his charges dropped.

Note: the only other evidence of insurrection against the PB, was that self proclaimed CIA wannabee, the creepy cryptocurrency guy who oddly escaped a lifetime of fraud,while his friend didn't. The Proud Boys only knew him through the under cover law agent woman who infiltrated them. They wanted to work something up the crypto guy, to help raise charity money for local youths. The crypto CIA/informant guy wrote the most ridiculous and child-like plans to overthrow the government on Jan6, then sent it to the Proud Boys. The were probably slightly entertained, but their own plans for Jan6 were about protecting protesters and were extremely detailed and well made, not like this one the crypto guy did in crayons.

The investigating found this lamely whipped up plan by the informant, now dubbed "1776 Returns", and used it in the prosecution against the Proud Boys to argue this was their intentions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1776_Returns

The Crypto CIA testified to investigators/court that he wrote the plans to overrun the government, but only most of if, and assured it was just a thought exercise. On the stand/deposition (remotely?), he also pulled the lamest court manipulation trick ever, which he probably read in some book about how to by a CIA spy. He feigned a muscle cramp from having just doing squats or lifting, making big scene and rolling around on the ground, then joked about getting his mention of the weight weight on the official record. This amused and distracted the investigators/court immensely, who suspiciously let him off completely.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fake insurrection that justifies every real one for the rest of time.