“Independent” Ukrainian “Kill List” Actually Run By Kiev, Backed By Washington

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[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Very good investigation that proves that the Ukrainian kill list was hosted on NATO servers.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Nah no it's not tho. The OP link is pure trash. You have to deliberately suppress your own knowledge about how CDNs work to try and hold this trash conspiracy in your head.

It's a free text field. Anything could be written there. There's literally no technical reason why it couldn't say tass.ru or cnbc.com, except for psyops.

Edit - in fact. If you're going to insist upon it.

Let's say I make a cdn-hosted page and type your saidit user page in the free text field, claiming you are the canonical host.

Then, will you accept responsibility for the content of my page? Will you stand by everything I'm going to type in there? Or will you suddenly remember how CDNs work

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So what are you saying? That this was a false-flag operation from the Ukrainians to frame NATO so that people would think that NATO was helping Ukraine?

Everything that you say might be true about CDN, but it's irrelevant. You can't just use any old random address as a CDN and expect your page to work.

What matters is not whether the kill list web page uses CDN or not, but that there is a provable trail from the kill list domain to servers controlled by NATO, including a period back in 2015 when the kill list was literally hosted inside the nato.int network.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's a free text field. Once again, in order to believe this fake, we have to suppress our own actual knowledge about how CDNs work. That's why this is not a good conspiracy theory.

So what are you saying?

Well what are YOU saying - that the collection of world's best militaries just forgot, and have continuously forgotten for years, how the web works?

Are they just stupid in your view? They just don't know how the web works and didn't realise their name would appear there?

Edit - also you would have to think that there's insufficient technical know-how or political will in Ukraine to run this locally? You think Ukrainians don't feel strongly about their own independence and it would take a NATO team to create a site like this?

Once I again I ask you

Stop dodging the question

If I make a cdn hosted site and make your saidit user page appear in that field. Which is a free text field.

Then you'll have to stand by the entire content of the page I make, right? You'll have to remain consistent: myrotvorets is NATO content, and the site I'm going to make is your content. That's a consistent position, no?

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's a free text field.

So what? Most DNS related fields are free text fields. You could put anything in them, if you don't want it to work.

that the collection of world's best militaries just forgot, and have continuously forgotten for years, how the web works?

Even the best people can make mistakes. But we're not talking about the best people, we're talking about NATO.

And they're just the ones I found in 30s of googling.

The evidence has nothing to do with CDN and everything to do with following the trail of ownership of the kill list domain to servers controlled by NATO, including a period back in 2015 when the kill list was literally hosted inside the nato.int network. Unless you think that NATO's IT department are so incompetent that they allowed Ukrainian hackers to break into their servers and upload files and didn't notice for a year?

Anyway, there is no evidence that Ukrainian web devs hacked into NATO's web servers and uploaded their files, but there is evidence that the Ukrainians were using servers inside the NATO domain for file storage. Nothing to do with CDN. They are irrelevant. The only comment made about CDNs was that some of the domains registered had "cdn" in their name and so might have been used for CDN.

If I make a cdn hosted site and make your saidit user page appear in that field. Which is a free text field. Then you'll have to stand by the entire content of the page I make, right?

You can put anything you like in a CDN field if you don't want it to work. If you want it to actually work you have to put in an actual CDN server.

But if you want to host files in a domain that I control, you either need to break in, or you need permission. CDN is a red herring. It is irrelevant.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First of all, the links you found, are about people breaking into nato servers. So actually they lend more evidence that this is not NATO, if its that easy to break into nato servers. But anyway.

nothing to do with CDN

False. Like I said, to believe this fake theory, I would have to physically suppress my own knowledge about how the internet works.

Let me do you a favor and summarise some of the evidence for your fake theory.

  1. The Whois dot domaintools dot com screenshot from your link https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/ukrainian-web-resorces-hosted-by-nato.67645/

  2. The tracert screenshot from your link https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/ukrainian-web-resorces-hosted-by-nato.67645/

  3. The other developer tools HTTP info from tweets like this one https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1562764808750977024/photo/4

Let me explain how your lack of knowledge forced you into this blind spot of non-credibility.

  1. The whois "server type" screenshot says "NATO HPWS/2.1". That's a free text field based on server configuration - you might see apache nginx here. It's free text. The server admin can freely enter anything, write over the APACHE default text with anything you want.

  2. "hostnamectl set-hostname" is the linux command to freely type anything into that field. I could type "weavils loves Biden dotcom" in there.

  3. The "nato CDN" is a cloudflare IP and returns a RayID which is uniquely cloudflare. The reverse hostname is a free text field delivered in the HTTP response to the client - it's not technically derived or used for anything. Same as how you can freely type your user agent instead of using the Chrome version or whatever.

Its all free text fields. You keep sounding dumb by insisting on something which has no technical basis.

This is a bad conspiracy. You should probably remove this one from your head, because if you repeat it to anyone who knows what they're talking about, you're going to sound like a discredited idiot.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did they run a psyop on you? Let's check:

https://myrotvorets.center/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=psyops_message

https://myrotvorets.center/wp-content/plugins/psb-plugins/psyops/assets/psyops.js?ver=1656685735

You so stupid bro

So dumb