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[–]niggerjewfaggot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

WHAT?

Zuckerberg donated to the Biden campaign?!?!?!

Guess which assholes donated billions to the Trump campaign.

NO - donations ≠ rigging

(this post is disinformation)

[–]chottohen[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree. Posting this was a mistake.

[–]niggerjewfaggot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

we cool, homie

[–]yellowsnow2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

After taking over $300million from the company that censors the internet for China, Reddit CEO banned the Trump campaign sub, censored his platformed, and said he could sway the election.

interview with the New Yorker, Reddit CEO Steve Huffman took things in a very different direction. “I’m confident that Reddit could sway elections,” Huffman told reporter Andrew Marantz. “We wouldn’t do it, of course. And I don’t know how many times we could get away with it. But, if we really wanted to, I’m sure Reddit could have swayed at least this election, this once.” https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reddit-ceo-m-confident-reddit-could-sway-elections-195235415.html

https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/11/reddit-300-million/

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Guilty? I mean its terrible, but I think those donations are all perfectly above board and legal thanks to the Citizens United ruling, which ironically the Republicans fought for and the Democrats were against at the time

[–]Ferretman 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

DUH...of course he did.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The article: Musk shares baseless election claim with millions of Twitter users (Considered and rejected, Mr. Musk. Once again.)

Donald Trump’s insistence that he won the 2020 presidential election despite his having lost the 2020 presidential election put a lot of his allies in a bind. Republican elected officials had to choose: Would they risk irritating an active, voluble set of Republican voters, or would they affirm the obvious election results? They at least had the option to stay quiet, an option of which many availed themselves. Media outlets such as Fox News couldn’t, having to pick between coddling Trump supporters by echoing Trump’s false claims about fraud or recognizing the reality of the election outcome. Eventually a third option emerged. Trump allies and those otherwise interested in appealing to a right-wing audience decided that the election had been stolen not through unproven and unprovable voter fraud but instead through devious left-wing machinations. It was the media’s fault, for its coverage, for example. Arguments like that had the benefit of being vague and hard to measure, the rhetorical equivalent of attributing things to vibes. There was one concrete claim made, however. The 2020 election was tainted or even determined by Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg, whose contribution to a group called Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL) increased turnout in Democratic areas, making the difference for Joe Biden. This claim had multiple benefits, among them that it leverage right-wing hostility to large social media companies. The idea that “Zuckbucks” — as the contribution was dubbed — had cost Republicans the election became a mantra among those interested in piggybacking onto Trump’s feverish claims about the results. On Tuesday, Elon Musk joined them. [Sign up for How To Read This Chart, a weekly data newsletter from Philip Bump] Out of the blue, Musk shared an article on Twitter from October 2021. Published at the right-wing blog Federalist, the article alleges that the 2020 election was “bought by Mark Zuckerberg.” Its argument distills simply: Zuckerberg donated to an organization that worked to increase turnout, and that turnout altered the election results. “Interesting article,” Musk said of the 18-month-old piece. “Perhaps CommunityNotes” — Twitter’s crowdsourced notation system — “can add further context & corrections.” This is a common way in which Musk elevates right-wing rhetoric. He’ll often engage with fringe voices by declaring their commentary to be “concerning” — suggesting it’s just something worth mulling over. Here, Musk is suggesting that this heavily adjudicated assertion somehow demands new attention. So let’s give it that attention. CTCL did receive money from Zuckerberg and did use that money as it gave grants to local elections offices aimed at making it easier for voters to vote. Facebook has engaged in efforts to increase turnout before, including using prompts on its own platform. Here, though, Facebook had no role; it was CTCL’s implementation of an effort to bolster election systems aided by Zuckerberg’s personal money. Much of the analysis in the Federalist article centers on the idea that these investments were larger in more-Democratic counties, using that as a peg for the argument that the investments were partisan and critical to Biden’s success. But that argument is easily countered. CTCL’s investments were often in heavily Democratic areas — because those areas often have lower turnout rates. If you want to increase turnout, the smartest place to try to do so is places where turnout is lowest. In the United States, that’s often lower-income communities and communities that have high populations of Black and Hispanic residents, two groups that often vote heavily Democratic. It has long been the case that non-White Americans vote less heavily than Whites. The Washington Post looked at this issue last week, using data from the Census Bureau. If we cluster every county in the United States to one of 10 buckets (deciles), ranging from the lowest percentage of White residents to the highest, you see that less-White counties consistently have lower turnout than more-White ones. In 2018, the number of votes cast in the most heavily White decile of counties averaged about 52 percent of the voting-age population of citizens in the county. (This is admittedly an imperfect metric, including some people who are otherwise ineligible to vote.) In 2016, a presidential election year, the average in America’s least-White counties was only 53 percent. Even in a higher-turnout election, the least-White counties only turnout at about the same rate as the most-White ones did in a midterm.

In 2016, the tenth of counties with the lowest turnout (relative to the citizen voting-age population) was an average of 60 percent White. The tenth with the highest turnout was 80 percent White. The higher the percentage of White people in a county, the higher the margin by which Trump won in 2020. Less-White often means more Democratic.

Importantly, those less-White counties are also more populous. On average, the gap between the size of the citizen-age population in 2020 and the votes cast for president was an average of nearly 90,000 in the least-White counties in the United States. In the most-White counties, the average was under 5,000.

Importantly, there isn’t a strong correlation between the turnout rate of a county in 2016 and how it voted. But the 16 counties that were in both the lowest turnout and highest population deciles (counties where 3.2 million votes were cast in 2020) were on average only 32 percent White. In the 43 counties where turnout was in the lowest decile and the population was in the second-lowest, an average of 60 percent of the population was White, but only 110,000 votes were cast. Targeting larger counties — and therefore getting more bang for your buck — means targeting counties with more non-White and more Democratic voters. It’s worth stepping back for a moment and considering the argument Musk is elevating even on its own terms. The charge is that, by donating to CTCL, Zuckerberg “bought” the election. But even if CTCL and Zuckerberg were explicitly donating only to Democratic areas to turnout only Democratic voters, none of which is true … all they stand accused of is getting more eligible voters to vote. As I wrote in July, the system as currently constituted makes it harder for young and poor people to vote: they move more often (meaning having to update registration information) and work less regular hours. It’s much easier to vote all the time if you’re a retiree that’s lived in the same place for 40 years. Since younger and poorer Americans are more likely to be non-White and more likely to be Democrats, the advantages some voters enjoy in the current system skew older, Whiter and Republican. If it was as easy for non-White and younger voters to vote as it is for older, Whiter ones, that would be a leveling of the playing field, not a skewing of it. This is the argument that Musk asks us to consider. With rhetoric cobbled together to more easily defend Trump’s “stolen election” claims, the argument is that efforts to target low-turnout communities are centrally an effort to get more Democrats to vote — and therefore nefarious, even though it amounts to nothing more than allowing more eligible voters to vote. Considered and rejected, Mr. Musk. Once again.

[–]chottohen[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Before posting this article, I took the headline literally and read only the beginning. It is not a good article and has a very misleading headlne. Apologies.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Hey its all good. I posted an article last night and editorialized the headline a bit myself. I know on reddit they force you to keep the original headline of news articles. Here on saidit I think its a bit more relaxed, but who knows. I feel like even though here on saidit there are a lot more opposing views than on reddit, people manage to keep the disagreement chill. I've only been on here a week, and already I've had substantial disagreements with people that on reddit would have turned into flames, here its just totally mellow and ok. Even though the volume of interaction here is lower than on reddit, I feel like its more authentic and real. In retrospect, getting kicked off reddit is probably the best thing that could have happened to me. It is a valuable life lesson too, that having a social media app be skewed all liberal, or all conservative for that matter, is probably not the healthiest thing. On reddit once you've offended the howler monkeys by saying something not appropriately hive-mind enough, they'll come for you.

[–]chottohen[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was not a good article and the headline was misleading. It was so misleading that I posted the article before really getting the gist of it. I had an appointment and wanted to post it before going out. Some headline writers are either new or just not good at their job or, in this case, hyping the article. For those reasons, I think it's all right to rewrite the head to accentuate the aspect you find interesting. Opinions on this may vary.

Yes, it is mellow here. I was shadow banned on reddit for being against Obama.

[–]yellowsnow2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Typical talking points indoctrinated by our fascist corporate rulers and the ministry of truth.

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This will never end if you do not respond to these lies with the truth. They are trying to brainwash by repetition of the same old lie.

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They always say Trump lost every case. Is that true? Let's see

Every 2020 election case is here with the links to court documents, outcomes, and a tally.

Trump and/or the GOP plaintiff prevailed in 22 out of 30 cases decided on the merits. 22 is a lot more than zero.

A case won on it's merits means the case proceeded through the full legal process and the ruling occurred from procedural due process. as opposed to being blocked, or decided upon before they even start.

https://election-integrity.info/2020_Election_Cases.htm

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The next is the 234 pages of affidavits by witnesses of election fraud.

https://roar-assets-auto.rbl.ms/documents/7487/3.%20EXHIBIT%201%20(affidavits)%20(compressed).pdf?fbclid=IwAR2Wxa8qGCp0a5W7d7AMi_UsEp-zg5lGbYkZVpUXtOYxTaAI4Zha_zzw1Qo

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And of course CNN's admission about the voting machine ownership and Venezuela, trying so hard to lie by twisting words. Untwisted by highlight

https://i.imgur.com/r6k2tp4.png

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10-Democrats Saying How Easy It Is To Hack The Voting Machines In 2 Minutes! Including the current Vice President

https://youtu.be/vmsqwHy-wkQ

All this is backed up. Censorship is futile.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

https://election-integrity.info/2020_Election_Cases.htm

is the issue that these were all procedural/technical wins (sorry if I'm using the wrong words, not an expert) and that none of the wins "moved the dial" for team Trump, ie did not result in a meaningful amount of votes?

234 pages of affidavits by witnesses of election fraud.

There was one, where they swore that there were too many voters, in Michigan I think. It fell apart within hours. the affidavit made a major mistake. Its data wasn’t actually from Michigan; it was from Minnesota. This is easily proveable as the counties in the affidavit are not correct. they aren't Michigan counties.

Other witnesses signed affidavits that said, “I believe my vote for Donald J. Trump and Michael Pence was not counted.” But when pressed by judges, they admitted they didn’t have any actual evidence to support that.

A similar thing happened in Chatham County, Ga., where the GOP called two witnesses as part of its allegation that 53 ballots received after Election Day were predated to make them appear valid. But under questioning, the witnesses acknowledged they didn’t know whether the ballots were actually received after the deadline, while witnesses for the local elections board testified under oath that they were received on time.

CNN's admission about the voting machine ownership and Venezuela,

I think the whole debacle with Dominion is over, isn't it? Fox just got raked over the coals for false reporting against Dominion, no one wants anything to do with Dominion any more. This particular article is interesting, and while it may show some connections, the question becomes, are these connections of a great enough concern to warrant, what?

10-Democrats Saying How Easy It Is To Hack The Voting Machines In 2 Minutes! Including the current Vice President

What are they admitting to? Are they admitting to fraud here? If they are, let's get to the bottom of it... If not then let's put this to rest and not try to use it as evidence of wrong doing.

[–]yellowsnow2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ha! Good stuff :) We need comedic moments, punctuating all the seriousness. (I didn't see anything in the way of refuting my points, which I take it means you're bored? You have nothing to refute? Or you're saving your counter argument up for a rainy day? Or you plan to unveil your counter argument at the next Comedy Club open mic? :D

[–]yellowsnow2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm too high to spend the time needed to fully break down all of your talking points. But $600million pay offs and ritual sacrifices to voting machine companies should raise a red flag for any free thinking human being that hasn't been fully domesticated by spells of the news cast. If that doesn't scream rigged elections then you must be infected by brain worms. I suggest antimony to purge the bad humors.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Got it. I want some of what you're taking!

[–]chottohen[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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