Former KGB member explains how communists are taking over America

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[–]StillLessons 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

More and more I'm coming to the conclusion that to blame "communists", or "socialists", or "cabalists", or "capitalists", or etc. etc. is missing the fundamental point. What's more important is that a huge vocal chunk of the population is going along with this. Tens of millions of people are now willing to actively defend ideas that just a few years ago would have been (correctly) thought authoritarian. College students are protesting in favor of personal restrictions placed upon them. The entire concept of a voluntary cooperation between population and state seems to be going out the window. It's not "communists"; it's your co-worker you see every day. I am hearing this kind of crap from people I know. Unless we convince those around us that none of us (me included) has the "right" answer to impose upon all of us, all these words describing "them" who are doing this to "us" will be useless.

[–]Barcodetilter 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I had a high school friend group who I've known for 13 years that I kept in touch with through group chat after school. We barely saw eachother after graduating but we'd still be on the group chat everyday fucking around and trying to make eachother laugh. Then I witnessed this slow and awful slide firsthand. It seemed to start when a bunch of them joined Twitter. Most of them became extremely far-left but more importantly hostile to anyone who wasn't. They also seemed to more or less stop having thoughts of their own and would share tweets of other people's opinions more often than say anything substantive themselves. Most of it was about how anyome not far-left was a terrible person. I've never cared too much to get into politics but I had to carry around the secret knowledge that they would hate me and call me a right-wing bigot if they knew that I was basically centrist and not onboard with their leftwing extremism and it hurt. I just couldn't believe that they couldn't see how things used to be so much better and more fun for everyone before they got that way and what that might mean about the effects of their beliefs. I don't think they were having fun either anymore cause everyone just seemed mad all the time. Had to leave and it hurt. But it hurts more to see the same thing going down on a large scale. We're building a world where people aren't allowed to be people with their differences and points of view. You'll be allowed to be gay, black, trans etc. but you won't be allowed to be a complex person. Pretty bad tradeoff imo.

[–]Kuroi77 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The moral degeneracy going on is the most terrible thing...

[–]Vulptex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Elaborate. Because while you're correct, that wording is usually not a good sign.

[–]Insider 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Former KGB member" Yuri Bezmenov was also outed as a deep state psyop

[–]Vulptex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is a communist tactic to turn the masses into useful idiots.

[–]weavilsatemyface 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

Dear gawd, the number of Americans who have no clue what "communism" is.

Communism is not the rainbow flag. What's taking over America, what has already taken over America, is the alliance between big government and corporations. Combine the worst of crony capitalism, authoritarianism, corporatism, the shadow state run by bureaucracies and intelligence agencies, and disguise it with just a soupçon of social progressiveness, but under the rainbow flag beats the cold cruel heart of fascism.

In any other country you might as well try to hide an elephant in a cherry tree by painting its toenails red, but Americans are so insanely obsessed with "commies", and so ignorant about what socialism and communism actually is, that they can't see the elephant, only the red toenails.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

You miss the point that communists use the looney left like the queers to bring down society so they can take over but they don't put up with that in their own society. Those people are the first against the wall when the glorious revolution actually comes.

This isn't American paranoia, it's an openly stated tactic.

[–]weavilsatemyface 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

looney left like the queers

Plenty of gays and lesbians are conservative. Why shouldn't they be?

This isn't American paranoia

It really is. Look at the American elite, the Bidens, the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi etc. Capitalists down to the bone. Pelosi has made millions from inside trading as a senator. You think that this is all some sort of ploy to gain power, shut down the stock market, and nationalise the entire country? That's madness. She's doing oh so very well for herself under the current system, thank you very much; looting the country, helping her cronies get filthy rich for a small cut, and she does it all without scaring the Lexus driving, chardonnay-drinking middle-managers who vote for her.

And all she has to do is mouth the right platitudes about "Black Lives Matter" and "Trans Women Are Women". That's no different from the conservatives who mouth platitudes about Jesus so the god-botherers in Hick Town USA vote for them.

America doesn't even have proper trade unions, and you think they're in imminent danger of turning communist? Fer fucks sake. Just about the only people with unions any more are white collar teachers and police.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is why I said queers not LGB.

Look into Queer Theory, it's a completely different thing than being gay. That's what is being pushed.

https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-queer-theory/

https://uncommongroundmedia.com/the-trojan-unicorn-queer-theory-and-paedophilia-part-i-dr-em/

[–]Vulptex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Look at the leaders of every communist country. They're wealthier and more powerful than we could ever dream of. That's why our politicians want it.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Look at the leaders of every communist country.

In the 21st century, that would be Cuba and Vietnam, the two most powerful superpowers of all history, right? /s

You're fooling yourself if you think that most of the leaders of communist countries had more money, wealth or power than, say, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, the king of Saudi Arabia King Salman or his heir Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Klaus Schwab, or American oligarch families like the Rockefellers.

Perhaps totalitarian dictators like Stalin or Mao, where it was impossible to separate their personal wealth from the nation, but that's pretty dubious and even then there have been absolute monarchs in history even wealthier.

They're wealthier and more powerful than we could ever dream of.

Your dreams must be very small.

Anti-communists: "Capitalist countries and the richest and most powerful! If you want to get rich, come to a capitalist country. Communist countries fail, their economies are weak, they are poor."

Also anti-communists: "The Democrats want America to be communist so they will be rich and powerful!"

Dude they're already rich and powerful, and they did it through crony capitalism. That is why they oppose efforts to bring in real public oversight over corporations. Remember the bank bailouts in the global financial crisis? Too big to allow them to fail, but not too big to pass laws preventing the banks from getting into financial scams. And the idea that they should be broken up so that they wouldn't be too big to fail had bipartisan opposition.

Nah, both parties like the system just as it is: they make money when big corporations scam the little guy, and when they get so greedy that the system collapses from the weight of all the scams, the government swoops in with public money to bail the corporations out, save the shareholders, and start the process all over again.

Don't listen to the words they say, look at the actions they actually do.

Pelosi has made $70 million dollars since 2009, mostly from insider trading in industries that are affected by her legislation. Are you surprised to learn that she opposes attempts to regulate stock trading by congresspeople? How about Chuck Schumer's daughters and son-in-law benefiting from his obstructing antitrust legislation?

Repeat after me: Not everything bad is communism.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

The most powerful communist country right now is China. Where the people are super poor and the members of the communist party hoard all the wealth.

The "purest" communist country is obviously North Korea, where Kim Jong Un is fat and worshiped as a god while everyone else is resorting to cannibalism because the state takes all their food for the leaders of the communist party. And if they're caught eating their own produce they get tortured. Sure Kim Jong Un lives in a hermit kingdom, but he basically has infinite wealth and power inside of it, because he owns and controls everything.

Imagine if the North Korea situation happened in America. Those who got to be the leaders would attain a kind of wealth and power far above what anyone could ever dream of. Instead of a bunch of allied corporations, they merge into one all-powerful state. If you think monopolies are bad now, you aint seen nothin' yet. They would have complete control and 100% monopoly, with zero accountability. Crony capitalism is just one step closer.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

The most powerful communist country right now is China.

China calls themselves "communist" but they don't act communist. They are an authoritarian mixed economy. They have the fourth biggest stock market in the world for fucks sake, that is the essence of capitalism in action.

the people are super poor and the members of the communist party hoard all the wealth.

Dude, economic inequality is much worse in the USA than in China.

The Gini Coefficient of the USA is about 41, compared to about 38 in China (and Russia, for what its worth). Higher is more unequal. A Gini Coefficient of 0 would mean total equality, where everyone has exactly the same wealth; a Gini Coefficient of 100 is perfect inequality, where one person owns everything and everyone else has nothing.

Overall, the USA is richer than China, but most of that wealth is horded by the elites. The wealthiest 10% people in the USA control about 70% of the country's wealth, compared to about 65% for the top 10% in China. The poorest 50% of the USA control about 2% of the nation's wealth, compared to about 7% for China. Neither country is exactly egalitarian, but of the two, it is clearly the US that is less equitable and where the wealthy horde more of the nation's wealth.

If you want to get filthy rich, there is no substitute for being part of the ruling elite of a crony capitalist country.

(Note: these figures may change. China is getting wealthier, while the US is digging itself into more and more debt. Aside from war, movies, sexual perversions and pandemics, Americans hardly make anything any more. As America gets poorer, I expect the wealthy elites will continue to drain the life out of the middle class and working class, leading to even more inequality.)

The "purest" communist country is obviously North Korea

"Obviously" to those who know nothing about either North Korea or communism. This is yet another example of the American mental disease that labels everything and anything bad as "communism".

NK follows their own political philosophy of Juche sasang, which is some weird-arse mutant combination of religion, monarchism and nationalism. It has some roots in Marxism, but by 1970 it deviated from any form of socialism that Marx or Lenin would recognise. And it absolutely is not communism. If you were to ask North Koreans, they would possibly say their country is a socialist nation working towards communism, but then most Americans think they live in a democracy too, we shouldn't care too much about what the ignorant and brain-washed say about their nation's ruling ideology.

If you squint, you might say that North Korea follows a kind of semi-socialist ideology, but even Blind Freddy can see it's not communism, and the national/religious/monarchist elements of Juche outweigh the socialist ones.

Kim Jong Un is fat ... while everyone else is resorting to cannibalism

Compared to the average Walmartian, Kim Jong Un is practically anorexic.

As for the cannibalism thing, that just silly. Even at the height of the North Korean famine in the 1990s there were only isolated cases of cannibalism.

Kim Jong Un lives in a hermit kingdom, but he basically has infinite wealth and power inside of it, because he owns and controls everything.

North Korea is not a cartoon, and Fat Boy Kim is only one man, he has to sleep some time, he could not hold power without many loyal and powerful people around him. Others include his sister Kim Yo-jong , the Premier (Kim Tok-hun), and the Chairman of the Supreme People's Assembly (Ryong-hae-song). If they did not get a share of the power and wealth, Fat Boy Kim would have had "an accident" a long time ago.

Imagine if the North Korea situation happened in America.

You don't have to imagine it. North Korea has about 200,000 prisoners working in virtual slavery in prison camps. The USA has about half its 2+ million prisoners working in virtual slavery in prisons.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

"Real communism" is practically impossible. People are naturally greedy and only look out for themselves. Yet communism puts complete faith in humanity. Obviously this falls apart real quick, so the only way to slavage some kind of socialist system is for the government to say, "If you don't want to disappear, work and live where we tell you, believe what we tell you, and do exactly as we tell you". Then the leaders can do whatever they want. Income inequality hits record lows, because everyone has the same ration: dirt poor. Not counting the leaders of course. Even if you could somehow get it to work, it's still a Big Brother NWO police state where everyone has to be the same and act like cogs and gears and machines responding to the commands of society and the state.

And while the USA does wrongfully use inmates for slave labor, that's heaven compared to how people are treated in North Korea. Yes, even the regular people, let alone those who are in concentration camps.

[–]weavilsatemyface 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

"Real communism" is practically impossible.

Real communism works fine in small groups. For most of the existence of humanity, before we settled down into large agricultural settlements and allowed brutal men with sharp swords to declare themselves king, we lived in small nomadic bands, or small tribes and villages, and the basic economic foundations are communist. Human nature is communist, and not everyone is greedy. In small societies, the greedy get shunned and punished if they take too much.

But we don't live in small tribes any more. We live in unnaturally vast nation states with social hierarchies of wealth that simply can not exist in a simpler life.

Whether communism can scale up to the size of large nation is a hard question to answer, especially since every single so-called communist country started in violent revolution and civil war and was surrounded by powerful enemies trying, and succeeding, to undermine it at every step.

Nevertheless, we know from the early 20th century that communist style participatory democracy without political parties or totalitarianism is definitely possible and was successful:

But being attacked and undermined by both the capitalists on the one hand, and the Bolshevists on the other, they eventually failed.

The powerful never give up their power without a fight, and then never stop trying to regain that power. Capitalism was never going to exist peacefully with communism even if the commies had been angels (and they weren't, they were hairless apes like the rest of us, with the same flaws). Whether it is direct hot war or indirect undermining, every so-called communist country has had to spend vast amounts of time, energy, money and lives just trying to defend itself from capitalists. Look at Cuba, where the US is still fighting an economic war against the country, harming them out of pure spite. "How dare you make a communist country sort of work instead of failing immediately?"

that's heaven compared to how people are treated in North Korea

Oh, you've been to both North Korea and an American prison and can compare the two from first-hand experience, can you?

[–]Vulptex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I wouldn't exactly call the natural economy communist. Communism is an organized form of government and forcibly makes everyone "equal". The natural economy is probably closer to a free trading market, perhaps without land ownership. At that small of a scale people are more likely to share willingly, because they can all see how it benefits them, but that's far from being the same thing as redistribution. People will work and hunt because they can see a direct benefit, whereas in communist societies you earn the same rations whether you work hard or are lazy. Even this can only work at a very small scale.

[–]Barcodetilter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

They're two cheeks of the same ass. The rainbow flag people want an authoritarian state to intervene on their behalf socially. Communists want the state to intervene on their behalf economically. It's the same ideology.

[–]Insider 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The authoritarian state controlled by the deep state is already intervening economically. That's one of the major problems of the current system.

The deep state intervenes economically on behalf of the elite pedophiles. If the rainbow flag people and commies want the state to intervene against the current pedo-controlled system and work instead on behalf of the people, then they have the right idea.

[–]Vulptex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Commies want draconian law. Everyone has to be the same and a normie NPC or you go to gulag. Only the leftist definition of "diversity" is tolerated.

[–]Vulptex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's worth mentioning that the rainbow flag was part of most communist revolutions' propaganda.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If all the monopolies are absorbed into the state, then what is the difference?

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If all the monopolies are absorbed into the state, then what is the difference?

They aren't being absorbed into the state. That's a ridiculous comment to make about the USA. Number of businesses or industries nationalised in the fifty years: zero. The US wouldn't even split up Microsoft in the 1990s when they were aggressively abusing their monopoly power. Since then the US government has become even less likely to go after monopolists.

America's problem is the revolving door between private industry and government bureaucracy. It means that private industry becomes lazy, corrupt and inefficient, because they know their buddies in government will bail them out, and government becomes focused on helping private industry instead of the nation as a whole, let alone ordinary people, because they have just come from private industry, and they expect to go back to work there the moment they leave government.

This is so-called "lemon socialism", which isn't anything socialists or communists want or believe in. Corporations privatise their profits, and socialise their losses through bail-outs and corporate handouts. Despite the name it is not socialism let alone communism. Its just plain old fashioned crony capitalism and corruption.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The government gives certain corporations special treatment because they're colluding with each other. If everything was nationalized, those favored corporations would be rebranded as the public industry, and then they'd be completely secured in their monopoly. And all-powerful.

For example, if the entertaintment industry were to be nationalized, the corrupt leaders at Disney would be appointed as its executives. It would no longer be called Disney, because now it's all there is.