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[–]doginventer[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

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Those who pursue both truth and righteousness understand this is both a deception an a delusion. The wrath of Elohiym is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the Truth in unrighteousness. Since what may be known of Elohiym is plain to them, because Elohiym has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world, the invisible qualities of Elohiym, his eternal power and divine nature have been seen clearly, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. Romans 1:18-20

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The original Greek text does call him Θεος as opposed to Elohiym, so using Elohiym is wrong

Only verse 18 is authentic. Θεου is a later addition, Paul doesn't say "wrath of God" anywhere else, and it is confirmed a later addition because Marcion's version of the letter is quoted without it. From 1:18 it should go on straight to 2:2, "and we know that the judgement of God is according to truth", then straight to 2:12 from there.

[–]doginventer[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Marcion - lol

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I am not a Marcionite. But Marcion possessed a much older collection of Paul's letters with less interpolations. It wasn't perfect either, but it was certainly better than what we have now.

You don't even have to look to Marcion to know that there's a huge insertion here. Some people have thought the whole of 1:18-2:29 was added later because the writing style and concepts are someone else's. I don't think it all was but probably most of it.

[–]doginventer[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't even have to look to what you wrote to know that there's a huge insertion here. Some people have thought the whole of what you wrote was added later because the writing style and concepts are someone else's. I don't think it all was but probably most of it.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Except they're not someone else's.