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[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Most historians have never claim the majority of jews that died was because of gassing.Most of the deaths were caused by execution via gunfire.See here http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/05/rebutting-twitter-denial-most-popular.html

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Meh, that's debatable. But either way, I only said that gassing is the method that always gets sold out to people. I mean the whole thing is an industry at this point.

[–]HanssenBob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

No, you are wrong about what "most historians" claim. You have little familiarity with this field.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I can't believe that even David Cole started pushing the "muh gas chambers" narrative. Instead of taking a realistic approach and say Jews died due to various reasons as part of the persecution, they keep pushing the dumbest narratives...

[–]HanssenBob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You mean when he switched sides?

[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sure as hell have more knowledge than holocaust deniers.The fact that you believe the majority of historians are in on a conspiracy proves that.

[–]HanssenBob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You're the only person talking about conspiracies. You're not objective. Why are you emotionally involved?

[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The pop culture idea of how the Holocaust happened (at least in North America, I can't speak for Europe, where people here seem to take Holocaust history more seriously) is that some time in 1941 the Nazis decided to kill all of the Jews and promptly sent them off to Auschwitz where they were all killed in gas chambers. This just isn't accurate. A majority of those murdered in the Holocaust were killed in mass executions by the Gestapo and SS with the aid of local collaborators, and there were dozens of both death camps and work camps, of which Auschwitz was both. The reason we remember it so prominently is because, comparatively, many survived Auschwitz, unlike Treblinka or Belzec, for example, where there were almost no survivors. Also six million only refers to the Jews murdered in the Holocaust and not the five million others who were killed because they were socialists or communists or gay men or Soviet prisoners or religious dissidents or Slavs or disabled or Romani or any other of the out-groups that the Nazi regime discriminated against. (I know Holocaust scholars refer to the six million Jews as victims of the Holocaust itself and the five million others as victims of the Holocaust era, but I think that distinction would be lost on here.)

[–]HanssenBob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I'm sorry, but a lot of that is just wrong.

[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Do you have actual evidence to suggest that or are you just going to keep repeating yourself?

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

What makes the Holocaust and the never ending survivors so special besides their /s/victimhood?

What about the other people who died in WWII? ~75 MILLION.

What do you know about after the war?

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[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That documentary Hellstorm you linked is literally"The nazis were the real victims of WW2!"There's no mention of what the germans did in other countries and cities like Leningrad.If the author actually pointed out the horrible shit the nazis did instead of trying to paint them as the innocent victims then i'd give that documentary something.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

That documentary Hellstorm you linked is literally"The nazis were the real victims of WW2!"There's no mention of what the germans did in other countries and cities like Leningrad.If the author actually pointed out the horrible shit the nazis did instead of trying to paint them as the innocent victims then i'd give that documentary something.

By "literally" I'm guessing you mean "figuratively", because you clearly don't know what it's actually about. Germans, Nazis or not, were hunted down across Europe, and unlike the fictional 6 million number dating back to the 1800s, there were LITERALLY more Germans mass-murdered after World War 2 than there were Jews killed in "deathcamps" - ever.

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Are you Jewish?
Are you a new shill?
Are you an infiltrator?
Are you a new SaidItor?
Are you a legitimately curious truth-seeker and free-thinker?

[–]jacques1102 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That lie claiming that 6 million dating back to the 1800s isn't even true.See here https://i.imgur.com/Ef0XTcM.jpeg Also i'm not a shill nor jewish, but spreading holocaust denial and blaming jews for all the problems the west and the world is facing makes us look like batshit crazy people.Let me ask you,what is the goal of spreading these conspiracies and lies?Is your true motive in saving the west or are you just someone that wants to hate and blame jews all day?

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Interesting.

True, or not, or partially - I can't say anything about history for certain. I wasn't there.

I don't trust corporate media "authorities", your authorities, or even fully trust my own. I always try to leave room for doubt.

Upon my first search, https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=6+million+1800s&iar=images, I found two images, allegedly of old newspaper clippings, and neither were in that list you linked, both in the same 2018 article: https://HistoryReviewed.com/index.php/incredible-2018-netanyahu-warns-putin-that-iran-wants-to-destroy-6-million-jews-the-magical-6-million-again-bloomberg/ One from Dec 2 1914 and another from Dec 29 1931 - leading older references, "Here is another summary of stories about 6 million Jews and it goes back to 1869!!" With more links to feast upon.

I don't give a shit about Jews any more or less than any other special or non-special groups/labels/identities.

But I do give a shit about people who harm. Liars, thieves, and thugs. Many Jews lie, intentionally or not, complicit or not, about the Holocaust - just as many other kinds of sheeple lie about other propaganda. Puppet parrots are minor by comparison to the greater harms from corporate media and the ruling class, including Zionists, at the top.

Zionists use Jews as human shields, and related, the Holocaust is one of the greatest scams of history.

[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you don't trust media authorities then why should i bother to give you anything from historians if you're just going to write it off as "jewish propaganda"?If you don't believe them then maybe you should listen to what the nazis who admitted that it happened.One of the biggest ones being Oskar Gröning.He was a low-level SS officer who worked at Auschwitz but was later transferred to the front lines in France where he was captured by the British and imprisoned until 1947. He kept silent about his history at Auschwitz until he started to confront Holocaust deniers when he was in his 90s. He then revealed his background and spoke out about what he saw at Auschwitz, which included hundreds of thousands of deaths.Another person you should look up is Adolf Eichmann. At no time did Eichmann, his attorneys in their testimony, or his wife or brothers in their appeals, even attempt to suggest that the Holocaust was a hoax. At no time did Eichmann, his attorneys in their testimony, or his wife or brothers in their appeals, even attempt to suggest that the Holocaust was a hoax.

Think about that. Even if you believe that the entire trial was a sham designed to railroad an innocent man, even if you think that his entire (German and non-Jewish) defense team conspired against him, Eichmann was placed in front of hundreds of reporters and television cameras every day of a four month long trial, and never once did he turn to them and say “the so-called Holocaust never happened and I’m a totally innocent Argentinian,” even though (if there was any validity to his claim) that would have been the simplest way of preventing his own execution. Do you think he was brainwashed somehow into believing he had facilitated the deaths of millions while under arrest and interrogation? They would have also had to somehow brainwash his wife and his brothers, none of whom attempted a “there was no Holocaust” defense in their clemency letters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Gröning#Views_on_Holocaust_denial

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you don't trust media authorities then why should i bother to give you anything from historians

Because I can assess, reason, and judge for myself. As we all should, rather than revere and obey "authorities" because they said so.

if you're just going to write it off as "jewish propaganda"?

This is more bad-faith bullshittery from you. Clearly you didn't read my previous statement or know much about me. Jews are not the problem. The ruling class is - and it's openly dominated by self-proclaimed Zionists.

If you don't believe them then maybe you should listen to what the nazis who admitted that it happened.

Only the Nazis who admitted it? Or should we assess ALL of the Nazis, including those who admitted it, denied it, or had no clue about it. Government Nazis or voting citizen Nazis? Just Nazis or should we include the general German population? The absence of awareness speaks volumes.

One could assess this scamdemic's Great Reset in a similar fashion.

One of the biggest ones...

Cherry picked examples.

Why wait way more than half a century until he was in his 90s? How was he and his family rewarded? Holocaust propaganda is HUUUUUUGE business.

...suggest that the Holocaust was a hoax.

I've never said it was a hoax. I've always said it was and extreme exaggeration myth grown from truths, half-truths, and lies.

Even if you believe that the entire trial was a sham...

Narrowing it down into absolute blacks and whites makes it easier for you to argue and dismiss, rather than look at the details and/or overall picture.

Do you think he was brainwashed somehow into believing he had facilitated the deaths of millions while under arrest and interrogation?

We can only speculate as to what his motives, actions, rewards, and the truth really were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Gröning#Views_on_Holocaust_denial

Wikipedia is hot garbage for EVERYTHING that is even remotely political or controversial to the Official Narrative™. It can be a starting point for discussion, but it can never be trusted to be the ultimate word on anything. You should know this.