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[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

How many more studies before this is allowed to be common knowledge on the MSM? Or will they never admit it and will just keep pretending even as the research becomes more and more robust?

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's just that Big Pharma has a propaganda network backed by the CIA and it can always ghost-write studies and fake data and demonize the ones who are honest.

There also isn't a medium that reaches a lot of people that can rival the network of the Intelligence groups, so Big Pharma can always whitewash itself as long as it has resources. The only way to create a meaningful opposition is to create alternate sites and "character assassinate" the medical industry for good. I'm sure it can be done with enough records.

[–]Insider 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's just that Big Pharma has a propaganda network backed by the CIA and it can always ghost-write studies and fake data and demonize the ones who are honest.

Academia is so vast that you can find countering opinions among them. It's more so the media that will promote the CIA-backed studies and higher impact journals will also get more attention among the scientific community.

Finding nano-thermitic material among the 9/11 debris was conducted by scientists in Denmark, for example. Studies that show the mRNA vaccine may not be entirely safe is also done by scientists. It's just that the media's not promoting these studies.

The only way to create a meaningful opposition is to create alternate sites and "character assassinate" the medical industry for good.

The only way you can have meaningful opposition is through truthers and opposing opinions in the medical industry. Most every day folk just aren't knowledgeable enough or intelligent enough.

You think viruses aren't real for example. In order to prove a claim like that, you need to outline the hundreds of lines of evidence and debunk each one. There are millions of scientists world wide who work based on these lines of evidence. There are layers of evidence and logic that build on top of each other, which wouldn't work if there was a crack in the fundamental theory.

The deep state doesn't control millions of scientists around the world. Not to mention, numerous studies have been exposed as fraudulent by other scientists who consistently couldn't get the same results as the original studies. If viruses were fake, the entire field would have crumbled much earlier.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Yet another piece of totally fake news media spin by moronic antivax propagandists. I'm going to show you how the content of the article has been spun by fakers like OP into a piece of antivax lying propaganda.

Let's look at the finding.

In their study, the prevalence of the South African strain among vaccinated individuals who were infected despite their inoculation was eight times higher than its prevalence in the unvaccinated infected population. Though the number of such infections among the vaccinated was relatively small, the findings indicated that this variant was far more successful in getting through vaccinated individuals’ defenses than other strains.

Here is a scenario which would satisfy this statement.

Let's say there are 100k people who are.vaccinated, and eight of them have covid. That's 0.008 % of vaccinated people getting sick, or one in 12,500 people. In our imaginary scenario, let's say that ALL of the covid-positive population have the south african strain.

And in addition to the 100k vaxxed, let's say there are 10k people who are not vaccinated because they believed manipulated headlines like this one. And out of that ten thousand, 2,000 people have covid, of which 250 have the south african strain and 1750 have other flavours which the jab strongly protects against.

In this scenario, vaccination offers you 2,500x the protection against covid than going without the jab, and still the study findings are true

the prevalence of the South African strain among vaccinated individuals who were infected despite their inoculation was eight times higher than its prevalence in the unvaccinated infected population

This is a totally manipulated headline and story by OP and anyone who believed it needs to think about how they consume information on the internet

[–]ID10T 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Seems that just about everyone vaccinated against covid has got covid in the last few months.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

By my back of the envelope calculation that's ~300,000 deaths per week in the USA. A city the size of Tampa disappearing off the map four times per month. You are totally insane if you believe that

[–]monkeymagic 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

everyone that’s lived through the past 3 years is “totally insane” by virtue of having lived through it. what’s your fucking point?

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ok so it's your belief that for the past 3 years, 300k excess Americans have died each month? Roughly one in thirty Americans in total over the timeline. And it's because of the covid vaccines.

Is that what you're saying you believe ?

[–]jamesK_3rd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Make sure you get your booster. There's a pandemic out there

[–]JoeyJoeJoe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for raising the bar, even if only slightly.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not fake, but people are drawing the wrong conclusions.

In their study, the prevalence of the South African strain among vaccinated individuals who were infected despite their inoculation was eight times higher than its prevalence in the unvaccinated infected population.

This isn't exactly news that natural immunity is better or that the covid vaccines are ineffective against the variants circulating, it's why the vaccines are being modified now. Although by the time the boosters for BA.5 and BA.2 are out, it's going to be a different strain. This is the same issue with run into, and have not been able to overcome yet, with the flu shot.

Here is a scenario which would satisfy this statement

Wasn't necessary lol

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This isn't exactly news that natural immunity is better

Nobody has said that here apart from you. In prior conversations you have submitted your imagination as the source of factual statements you made. You are not a trustworthy source.

Wasn't necessary lol

You are on a post suggesting a s/conspiracy that vaccinated patients are 8x more likely to have a certain variant. I gave you an example where that could be true even though the vaccine offers 2,500x protection over baseline. I am telling you that the quoted line from the study is not a conspiracy and only a fake news merchant would portray it as such

[–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why are there so many people that are desperate to prove the vaccine is this evil death jab despite the fact that millions upon millions of people have taken the vaccine and there's 0 reports of massive deaths happening?Seriously,i took the vaccine twice.I have family that took at least 2 with some taking a booster.Nothing has happened in the past year we've taken it.If you don't want to take the vaccine fine,i respect your right.I don't understand this end game with wanting to prove that there's this mass conspiracy by the governments of the world to kill off their own people and they waited until now?It's so bizarre.

[–]Insider 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are a lot easier ways for depopulation, like releasing a deadly virus with a high r0, long incubation time and with asymptomatic cases so it's harder to identify the infected.

The experimental vaxx is more of a money grab.

In terms of purposely inducing infertility, it's possible, but unproven yet. Would be pretty easy to prove using anti-bodies.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Very very important:

However, she said that the sample size is too small to put a figure on its increased ability.

This is a 150 person study. Bad news for the jab but you need more participants to have a robust study.

[–]GeorgeCarlin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It is a lock & key-principle being force-fed to believers -as well as they could-, I guessed from the vicinity in time on, when it began.

The vaccine weakens people's immune-system (especially the elderly) and then some virus-variant or other incident caused by lockdowns or broken supply-chains kills them off. One by one. "Coincidentally", of course.

One could believe that this is some evil plan, developed by some eugenic-believers making big money from the sale of vaccines for a problem

That wouldn't exist in the first place, if there hadn't been any totally unhelpful vaccines.

I'm getting more and more convinced of this theory of mine by all these dazzling "clues".

Possible next step:

"Really" disabling illnesses (occurring mostly in elderly people, of course, because young human beings have to "spend" their health and sanity

In some nonsense clowns bullshit job first) like diabetes or autoimmune-diseases are declared to be too costly to be treated further.

With some bs triage nonsense pseudo-arguments or whatever else they can hallucinate to push their agenda further.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I myself don't believe there's ever been such a thing as a virus. Just think how wrong the medical industry really is just from that. Almost everything is based on the germ theory.

What determines if you get sick or not would be, at least for the most part, your own individual vitality, toxic air, being poisoned or a change in the environment.

[–]GeorgeCarlin 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

From my pov it is very fascinating to look at how their tone changed:

At first, they wanted to follow down every chain of infection. And look what they did generate: Literally nothing useful.

"Only" big-pharma sales hitting trillions of dollars and a lot of people living in constant fear of each other most of their time. Right now, at least.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, also, I don't believe that they want to downright kill every single person exposed to the vaccine, but I'm sure the vaccines do play a significant role in the sterilization of the population, they already did this in Africa:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/wac7f7/infertility_a_diabolical_agenda_the_documentary/

And I've seen studies of the COVID Vaccine itself reducing the total motile count of sperm in semen donors:

https://saidit.net/s/conspiracy/comments/9faz/covid19_vaccination_bnt162b2_temporarily_impairs/

The funny thing is that the ones who made the study claim that its "temporary", but the data itself says otherwise.

[–]Insider 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What determines if you get sick or not would be, at least for the most part, your own individual vitality, toxic air, being poisoned or a change in the environment.

Kind of sad to see how delusional you are given your extensive work on the Jesuit thing.

Get into a STEM field and study the science. If it doesn't check out, then offer extensive proof, but you're going against common sense here.

Based on everyone's personal experience alone, nearly everyone has "caught" something from another person. There are thousands of scenarios and examples of human-human transmission, which your random theory doesn't explain. Not to mention, if viruses and bacteria don't exist, purchase a disease-causing pathogen and ingest it. When you get similar symptoms to the relevant pathogen, it'll disprove your theory pretty quickly.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I never said bacteria don't exist. Just that I'm extremely skeptical about them being the source of many diseases.

I've done things like eating raw meat very often, (doing nothing but draining the blood out of it) most medics would tell you that the bacteria in them would kill you, but eating raw food will actually give you a boost in energy. This is another way people are fooled into a bad eating habit, overly cooking food will get rid of many raw materials in it that the body needs. (Also, the gut needs bacterias too...)

[–]Insider 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's not how it works though. Yes, there are ppl who eat pure raw meat (look on youtube). Japanese have a raw beef dish. They also eat raw fish. Steak is partially raw (rare).

There are multiple cases of restaurants that sold burgers rare on the inside and their customers all developed food poisoning because the meat wasn't handled properly. There are restaurants that are able to sell these rare burgers because they handled the meat properly and the meat was previously certified.

  1. There are good, neutral and bad bacteria. Only the bad ones cause symptoms and diseases.

  2. What people are trying to avoid is the risk of bad bacteria on a piece of meat. Cooking kills all bacteria.

  3. Steak is too dense for bacteria to penetrate, which is why you only need to cook the surface.

  4. If the amount of bacteria is low, your immune system can likely get rid of it without too much of an immune reaction (depending on the bacteria). If the bacteria count is high, you're likely going to start having symptoms.

  5. Meat isn't automatically contaminated. Fresh meat usually less contaminated (unless the animal is diseased itself). Likewise, fresh piss is safer to drink than piss that you leave out for a day. Cause bacteria can grow and expand. The longer you leave out raw meat under conditions that bacteria like to grow (warm, moist), the higher the risk you're taking in terms of contamination and bacterial colonization. Why do you think we have fridges

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]Insider 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are a couple of logical fallacies towards your second link.

Character assassination based on an identity only tells you that there COULD be a lie/conspiracy. It doesn't mean there is one. It doesn't even necessarily mean the person you're discrediting is compromised.

Second fallacy is that compromised characters can still produce factual science. Bad actors developing bioweapons for nefarious purposes doesn't mean the bioweapon is fake. A lot of the tech around you is produced by bad actors.

You need to learn the science and actually disprove it.

In terms of your first link, some vaccines work, there are conspiracies behind some vaccines, there are human experiments behind some vaccines, there are side effects from some vaccines. Multiple things can be true at once. I'm not a complete anti-vaxx person, but there is a ton of manipulation and interference from our rulers and Big Pharma.