Must-Read Book Asks: Why, After 7 Decades, Don’t We Have Proof Vaccines Provide More Benefit Than Risk?

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[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (20 children)

The smallpox vaccine alone has saved something like 200 million lives:

https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination#vaccines-save-lives

[–]jamesK_3rd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I think they're drawing a distinction between actual vaccines like smallpox and polio, vs leaky vaccines such as influenza, COVID and to a lesser extent mmr.

Regardless, if they've ever got one, it's important that they get every mRNA COVID vaccine. The experiment collectively is more important than them individually. In fact they're about to roll out a new booster, so all you Dems out there, mask up and sleeves up!

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Influenza is difficult because there's so many forms. But it saves lives. Just not as many as smallpox vaccines.

CoVID vaccines also save lives, but you lose surface antibodies in a few months. The vaccine still reduces the seriousness of the infection.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

CoVID vaccines also save lives, but you lose surface antibodies in a few months.

The reason the covid vaccine fails to provide immunity has nothing to do with antibodies. The antibodies only exist when they are produced to fight an infection, they are not the basis of the immune system.

That is a misconception that was pushed by the media to explain why you need a booster every 6 months, but it is a lie. Real immunity produces antibodies when the virus is detected.

The covid "vaccine" can't detect covid because the spike protein is the part that mutates, and the Vax only codes for that protein.

As for "it would have been worse", you can literally say that about anything. If you believe that you are a moron. Vaxed people still die from covid, it literally can't be worse.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

A few months after the vaccination you can get infected, because the antibody count drops to a level where that can happen. However, because your immune system recognises the virus, it mounts a more rapid and robust defence, so the seriousness of the infection is reduced.

It doesn't "fail to provide immunity." It still protects against infection. Quite significantly

[–]monkeymagic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

everyone that i work with that caved and got the vaccine gets sick quite regularly now. the people that didn’t never miss a day. ever.

[–]jingles 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

everyone that i work with that caved and got the vaccine gets sick quite regularly now.

an exwife of mine was very healthy before getting vaxxed... afterwards, she has severe diabetes and neuropathy.. she can barely walk.. cant hardly see.. you know, she is dying.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Impossible to check.

But that relationship lacks any biological plausibility.

[–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I only skimmed that, but I think it's quite inaccurate. Vaccines were just starting to be used wide spread shortly around sanitary conditions improved. I would bet smallpox, mumps, and some other diseases would have been greatly reduced even if vaccines were not used. I doubt many have considered that.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Nevertheless the benefit is much higher than the risk.

[–]FUCK_RACHEL_MADDOW 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

PLEASE TELL MISTER RACHEL MADDOW THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CUM IN HER MOUTH.

JUST MENTION IT TO HER, WILL YOU PLEASE.

[–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Why do you think that? Because the govt said so?

Maybe check the increase in neurological diseases and cancer since the coofvax wad rolled out.

Maybe check the control group for all vaccines. Look at a group of people, say like the Amish, who are largely unvaxxed and let's see how many autistic they have. Or maybe let's look at their cancer or measles/mumps/pox rates.

Good thinking grug!

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why do you think that?

smallpox alone killed 5 million people per year.

Because the govt said so?

Which government?

Maybe check the increase in neurological diseases and cancer since the coofvax wad rolled out.

Any particular neurological disease that you think increased?

Maybe check the control group for all vaccines.

Link me to the controlled study you're talking about.

[–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Controlled study on what? Yew want studies, yet make effort to provide any of your own.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Controlled study on what?

One of the ones that you want me to check the control group on, obviously.

Yew want studies, yet make effort to provide any of your own.

When I ask you to check the control group of a study, I'll link to the study.

[–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You must really run circles around the competition

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You've suggested "Maybe check the control group for all vaccines."

Link me to the study with the control group you're talking about. If you're not talking about a control group for a study, what control group are you talking about?