About the right and left false dichotomy. People shouldn't shy away from trying more complex systems to search for solutions.

submitted by HibikiBlackCaudillo from self.conspiracy

Nearly every single ideology that people defend nowadays when it comes to politics can be related to the ruling groups. Be it socialism, capitalism, fascism, communism, anarchy or libertarianism. I think a lot of these ideologies were pushed because they were all flawed in a way and it allowed the ruling groups to subvert their target nations and gain power.

There's no reason why to hold up to them anymore and people shouldn't shy away from trying more complex systems to search for solutions. By fooling people into thinking that there are only 2 or so choices, the Intelligence groups can help their own while making their opposition fight each other.

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[–]Markimus 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

You literally just said nothing

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think I was rather straightforward about my points. Or are you skeptical about the ideologies I mentioned being related to the ruling groups?

[–]Markimus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You didn't say anything meaningful, you literally just said 'don't believe anything'. Tf use is that? It's the same bullshit psuedointellectualism as poststructuralists that just throw their arms up and critique everything. But at least they actually did do some critiques with substance, you literally just skipped all that and did the 'everything bad' nonsense.

Also yes I am absolutely skeptical that fascism/national socialism was a tool of the people in power since they literally threw them out of power and then got destroyed in a world war for doing so. If you think this was all just an elaborate ruse to trick everyone and only schizophrenics 100 years later figured this out then I have a bridge to sell to you.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm a nationalist. I take ethics and the responsibility with your own very seriously, I'm hardly a nihilist.

All the ideologies I mentioned can be traced to the Vatican:

They used libertarianism in the white protestant nations to destroy it.

Jesuit Teilhard de Chardin was the most influential philosopher in the capitalist and social darwinist movement.

They created communism with the Jesuit communist empire in Latin America and set up the Bolshevik revolution to take control of Russia and blame the Jews. There were some Zionist groups mixed in but the Bolsheviks were mostly an anti-Zionist group.

Hitler and Himmler got a lot of their ideals from the Jesuits, with the SS being modeled after their group. I think a lot of Germans were legit nationalist back then and had to face the worst side of the Jews, but ignoring the Vatican's behind the scenes is not right either.

I'm not downright saying they are worthless ideologies just that people shouldn't see things in a black and white fashion.

[–]Markimus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Schizo nonsense, take your meds

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah right. Just ignore the fact that the SS were literally an imitation of the Jesuits as a group. And yet I'm the one who is fooling himself.

[–]gloomy_bear 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I absolutely agree. Left and right is too narrow. It's more than that. For example, I am centrist on economics, libertarian on the authoritarian/libertarian axis, and moderately progressive on social issues.

[–]agent_pecan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

None of these ideologies matter much when government stays in its lane. The problem is government has grown too large.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Extremism is the problem. Extreme ideologies, extreme left, extreme right, totalitarian, extreme overreach - and of course, like you said, extremely big government.

Extreme harms are coming to all, to serve the extremely wealthy.

A decentralized minarchy is required.

[–]dondon973 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

FIrst we can never found a solution in extremism like fascism or communism or even anarchy. I think each society in different time and place need a unique solution as political conformation for each societal problems.Nowadays ,maybe we need a degree of conservatism and socialism or maybe a mixed of libertarianism and conservatism.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not necessarily, you may be falling in an argument to moderation fallacy. Sometimes, repressing the opposition to some extend might be the only way to do the right thing.

[–]gomjabbar 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

"Politics involves the people who are involved in politics" is a tautology.

If you weren't a "ruling group" before and then you gain power, you become a "ruling group."

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Straw man. Having someone in power doesn't turn them into a tyrant by itself.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Not a straw man at all. Why ask for feedback then shit on someone?

ANY hierarchical system is inherently corrupting, tyrannical, and unfair by it's very nature. Be equals to be fair, or else someone is lording over another. Consciously or not, people's self-interests will show through in negative ways.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So you are saying that people have never been happy under authority in history? Not just happy, but living in an actual decent, honest society? This is laughable and very innacurate from the historical point of view, Jason.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't say any of that, nor did you. You argue like a fucking retard. Not worth engaging.

[–]gomjabbar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never said that someone being in power turns them into a tyrant. Look at my words again if you don't believe me, I didn't change them.