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[–]chottohen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Psalms 46 and William Shakespeare

King James Version

This information has been culled from several sources.

Here are some coincidences that occasionally have been used to argue WS's authorship or editorship of the 46th Psalm of the King James Version. (In this case William Shakespeare and Edward de Vere are used interchangeably. Since the King James Version was being edited during Edward de Vere's lifetime it is quite possible that he was asked to edit or rewrite some parts of it.) It is most likely just a red-herring as the words "will," "shake," "spear" and "I am" appear in the same positions in Richard Taverner's 1539 version of the Psalm.

The 46th word from the beginning of Psalms 45th is "shake." The 46th word from the end (not counting "selah" that is often put at the end of a verse (Psalms.) is "spear." The KJV is said to have been completed in 1610 (when W.S. was 46 and de Vere was 60) and published the following year. WS's birthday is celebrated 4/23/1564. 23 X 2 = 46. And 64, as in 1564, reversed is 46. WS's death is observed as 4/23/1616. If you add 1564 (1+5+6+4) you get 16. If you add 4/23/1616 (4+2+3+1+6+1+6) you get 23. Again 23 x 2 =46. If you add 4/21/1564 together (a possible date for WS's birth since all we know is that he was baptized on the 26th and the custom was to wait three days from birth for baptism) (4+2+1+1+5+6+4), you get 23 again! The 14th word from the beginning is "will." The 32nd word from the end (counting "selah" this time) lands you on "I am." Put together this equals "I am Will." 14+32=46. 4 + 6 = 10. Go to verse 10. Count in 6 words to “I” (which is part of “I am”). Now count in another 4 words to “will,” giving “I am Will.” "William Shakespere" can be anagrammed to "We are like his Psalm" or “Here was I, like a psalm.” Psalm 46

King James Version

1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.

2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;

3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah

4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.

5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.

6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

7 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.

8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth.

9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.

10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

11 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.

[–]LarrySwinger2[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think this is very far fetched and clearly an attempt to make things fit. First you're excluding Selah, and then you're including it without an explanation, to give one example of what's wrong with this method.

To be clear: I do think psalm 46 of the KJV is significant and that a message was encoded there. This one may also seem far-fetched, but bear with me. If the title of "psalm 46" is included, then "shake" has 46 words above it, and "spear" has 46 below it (including Selah). Except it doesn't fit precisely. If "46" from the title is counted as a word, then "shake" has 47 words above it. So we need to extract the 46, which is the second word. This gives us 2 and 46. If we make that 2 the second character, we get 426. Edward de Vere's supposed death was June 26, or 4/26.

I've seen this type of code before in relation to the whole Shakespeare episode. This can only be significant if 4/26 was a predetermined date i.e. De Vere faked his own death, but there are other hints that that's the case.

If you add 4/21/1564 together (a possible date for WS's birth since all we know is that he was baptized on the 26th and the custom was to wait three days from birth for baptism)

Three days before 26 April is 23 April, and that's also the accepted date of his birth. Of course, 'Shakespeare' had no real birth since it was a pseudonym, but I believe this birthday is part of the legend they intended. What's interesting about this is that he also died on 23 April. A lot of Christian saints have the same day of the year ascribed to both their birth and their death; this was a legend they'd create because the roundness of it would add to the perfection of their lives. This may have been done for Shakespeare too as a joke, further indicating that his life, too is a legend.

I would've loved to refer you to a source that shows that the type of code I described was used elsewhere in relation to Shakespeare, and another one that speculates about the record of Shakespeare's baptism having been inserted. However, I don't have them at hand. I'll include them in a more complete write-up that I will do later. But both are on this channel.

[–]chottohen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When I first read this, in an Anthony Burgess novel I think, his idea was not to include the title, Psalm 46, in the counting. That is, the idea was to use the text only. Have you seen "Selah" even used in a KJV? I do not think I have.

As for Shakespeare being a real person, I have read that he was head of a minor troupe of players but most certainly not a scholar and not multilingual. So use of his name may be a joke among many other jokes. Or, as you say, just made up like Fallstaff.

Can we agree to disagree for now and pick this up again when one or both of us finds information? I have some, somewhere on an old fashioned hard drive, the spinning type. Thanks for playing. Selah

[–]LarrySwinger2[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Have you seen "Selah" even used in a KJV?

Yes, it uses selah just like other translations do. Here's a list of instances.

Can we agree to disagree for now and pick this up again when one or both of us finds information?

Of course. I feel no need to convince anyone. Do keep me updated.

[–]chottohen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will. Yes, my Bible study skills are a bit rusty.