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[–]platonic1 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First the various religions have to clarify what they mean by the word god. If “god” just means a powerful spirit, then there are many gods. But if God means “the creator” there is only one of them, for every other god is in turn caused by something else.

Let us also try to define “spirit”. My understanding is that spirits don’t mean “non-existent” but non physical. That would mean that the spiritual is in higher dimension, not normally accessible to physical beings. The occultists who run the world certainly do believe in spirits/higher dimensions, but pretend to be materialists in front of the masses, or even Christians, who are forbidden to interact with these evil spirits.

[–]DnAmind 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

HibikiBlack, Could it be a case where Buddha's idea of non-attachment might lead to western religious minds, letting go of old outdated methods of dealing with the philosophical mystery? Then there might be no need to acknowledge the ruling groups and that has got be a good thing.

Memetic lexicon redefines everyday words in terms of meme and memetic engineering your own mind. The contemporary necessity of the memetic definition below...might help start illuminating Buddha's idea of non attachment.

vaccime (pron. vak-seem) Any meta-meme which confers resistance or immunity to one or more memes, allowing that person to be exposed without acquiring an active infection. Also called an `immuno-meme.' Common immune-conferring memes are "Faith", "Loyalty", "Skepticism", and "tolerance". (See: meme-allergy.) (GMG.) Every scheme includes a vaccime to protect against rival memes. For instance:

Conservatism: automatically resist all new memes. Orthodoxy: automatically reject all new memes. Science: test new memes for theoretical consistency and(where applicable) empirical repeatability; continually re-assess old memes; accept schemes only conditionally, pending future re:-assessment. Radicalism: embrace one new scheme, reject all others. Nihilism: reject all schemes, new and old. New Age: accept all esthetically-appealing memes, new and old, regardless of empirical (or even internal) consistency; reject others. (Note that this one doesn't provide much protection.) Japanese: adapt (parts of) new schemes to the old ones.

I particularly like this memetic definition:

Tolerance A meta-meme which confers resistance to a wide variety of memes (and their sociotypes), without conferring meme-allergies. In its purest form, Tolerance allows its host to be repeatedly exposed to rival memes, even intolerant rivals, without active infection or meme-allergic reaction. Tolerance is a central co-meme in a wide variety of schemes, particularly "liberalism", and "democracy". Without it, a scheme will often become exo-toxic and confer meme-allergies on its hosts. Since schemes compete for finite belief-space, tolerance is not necessarily a virtue, but it has co-evolved in the ideosphere in much the same way as co-operation has evolved in biological ecosystems. (Henson.)

create a great day

[–]Newzok 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That was really good, thank you!

[–]DnAmind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Newzok, thank you for appreciating my ephemeral view points.

Question: are you familiar with the memetic lexicon?

http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/MEMLEX.html

[–]Newzok 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, but I'll have a look! I like things relating to the ways we get caught in this particular kind of sorcery.

[–]DnAmind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, I love your incorporation of magic to thoughts and their mechanistic memetics. The absolute beauty of life living is the definition of magic. By cutting edge physics our universe is a perpetual motion machine. Sun's light it all up and power its perpetual motions of genesis. Suns birth themselves within everything we call a galactic and the new Sun's energies and materials quantum and elemental come from other dead Suns. And Sun's imploding explosions create the black holes gravitationally holding galaxies together. I find it is all magic to one extent to another.

If you begin to enjoy meme's lexicon of memetic engineering minds. Please, lettuce engage a Saidit conversion about memetics.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The great thing about philosophy is the ability to remain open to debate and to scrutinize our understanding of where we stand in the universe and how we should live our lives. Morality is complicated, but not reliant on religion. In fact I'd argue that many religious morals of the time they were written are generally understood to be immoral by today's standards. Religion does not allow itself to be scrutinized. The written word is unbreakable, and it is offensive to open discussion as to the validity of the morals taught from within the texts. The exception to the rule being when a point is raised that might be deemed harmful to religious reputation, it's suddenly 'out of context' or 'not to be taken literally'. This method of communication is demeaning to the questioner of religious morality.

The only way I can see as a working model, as has been the case in philosophy for thousands of years, is to make sure we allow open debate, freedom of expression and freedom of opinion. Religion generally attempts to impede all of these and denies the opportunity to revise or adapt, they are stuck in the dark ages and refuse to move forward. We must persist in enabling the right to challenge concepts that harm philosophical discussion. Religion should never be allowed to have the power to influence politics, media or military conflict. It should be encouraged to be kept in the privacy of the home and the religious meeting ground, out of harm's way where it can't continue to be responsible for evil shit.

[–]DnAmind 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hello UmbrellaCorp, your comments are on the money to my sense abilities and sensibilities...thanks for your input to Hibikiblack's post.

I always attempt to do as Socrates instructs his students. At least I attribute this quote to Socrates, I do not really know if is him I am quoting. His advice to young philosophers learning to be proficient at philosophizing. (I paraphrase his quote) To be proficient at philosophy one must muster the abilities and mental agilities to argue any argument's, by both sides Equally Well.

Religion and philosophy seem through the centuries to not be able nor adept at solving the issues illuminated by Hibikiblack. Open minded open argumentation might be an answer yet, what is that, which is opening Tolerance of ideas one does not believe within. Therefore, why I attempt to follow Socrates advice to philosophy done efficiently, understanding both sides equally well.

create a great day...

Tolerance A meta-meme which confers resistance to a wide variety of memes (and their sociotypes), without conferring meme-allergies. In its purest form, Tolerance allows its host to be repeatedly exposed to rival memes, even intolerant rivals, without active infection or meme-allergic reaction. Tolerance is a central co-meme in a wide variety of schemes, particularly "liberalism", and "democracy". Without it, a scheme will often become exo-toxic and confer meme-allergies on its hosts. Since schemes compete for finite belief-space, tolerance is not necessarily a virtue, but it has co-evolved in the ideosphere in much the same way as co-operation has evolved in biological ecosystems. (Henson.)

[–]iDontShift 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i found myself repeating in my head ..

THERE ARE NO ACCIDENTS

as i held this .. i noticed many 'accidents' that had obvious 'reasons'

your state of mind dictates what you receive

be mindful of your state, it is your power