Well, after say 10 minutes or so you can get pretty much anyone to say "it's all bullshit anyway" or some variation on "psy-op" on just about any topic. I don't know what chantards are though, so I feel like maybe lingo might be the issue.

Actually I think "lingo" is an issue everywhere. I used to travel in very "left" and labor-based circles back when it was about tangible things and not social issues and identity bs. I later ended up around more middle-class artsy and educated beyond their intelligence (and usefulness really) self-proclaimed left circles (what frauds!). Now I'm around a variety of right-leaning to MAGA and other very right-wing people. The difference between economic "left" back then and "MAGA" now is just in the vocabulary and the historical understanding of how we got where we are. The social-issues left and the social-issues right will probably never see eye to eye on much of anything because their starting points a so far off.

At least the maga crowd and the old labor based left are starting from the point of view of a pay check and their local issues. They just don't speak the same lingo and don't have the same perspective on history. And I mean perspective, they are looking at the same historical events from different places. I think for example one way to unite them is to point out how the USSR was a failure, and how the Bolsheviks chose to cheat and manipulate things to gain power and how that was the seeds of their own downfall and in-fighting and paranoia. Similarly the French Revolution can be looked at the way Archbishop Lefevre sees it, when he asks "which one do you mean?" and he points to all the deaths caused by each of them because some manipulative group (stone-cutters at least in the first one if not others) set the classes against each other and probably created the class differences and social indifferences behind them. Ultimately we have to united, and we have to see each other's problems from each other's points of view and whittle our way down to the actual objective truths of any matters.

But the psyops go that far back if not much much futher.