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[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

But IRL people are normies to whom the MSM narratives are real. It's good to know real people, but it still isn't an escape from an artificial world / the matrix.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Red pill them.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

great movie!

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Indeed it is. I absolutely adore the Coen brothers, and this is one of their better ones if you ask me. What the film tells me: we can only get so far by relying on reason alone, and at one point we have to go by intuition and have faith that, in spite of all the risks, we should act morally and resist temptation in whatever form it comes. The directors are Jewish, and they portray a Jewish mindset in other films, but in this one they take on Christianity and they did a perfect job. What are your favourite films by them?

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I haven't seen most of them, I just noticed. I looked at their IMDB page. I'm surprised the Hudsucker Proxy is theirs. I loved that but haven't seen in it so very long.

Hail Caesar is so good. I don't really think the Christianity is the major theme in Hail Caesar, the proletariat screen writers, and the easily duped actor I think is a bigger theme. How different is Ryan Reynolds or Channing Tatum (the actor in the sailor suit getting on the Russian sub in a very surreal scene they are so good at sticking into their movies with no real setup or explaination) and George Clooney? But, it's just a day at the office for the guy who slaps sense into Clooney, so that it is a very wierd "slice of life" movie is pretty neat.

Raisin Arizona I loved. Buster Scrubs takes a turn they love to take in their movies, and the afterlife scene and what I'd call mysticism around that scene is really worth just appreciating for how they did it. For some reason it, the ending, reminds me of Pan's Labyrinth.

Barton Fink deals with I guess a Judaeo-Christian theme but but it really is more like Karma. That movie leaves you with a lot to wrestle with, well me anyway. No Country for Old Men, is that a slice of life movie from Tommy Lee Jone's character's point of view where the embodiment of evil is just what this guy deals with? It's a well made movie. I didn't really get the villain but I guess blind evil isn't really understandable. So much randomness in their movies and how it is intertwined with fate. They definitely have a point of view that is unique.

I didn't know that True Grit remake was theirs. I'm going to have to watch it soon.

How "Jewish" are they though? I guess they are culturally Jewish, but are they religious? I assume they're American so they probably have a perspective on Christianity that reflects what every forms were dominate where they grew up, unless they grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. The distribution of types of Christianity in the US is uneven, you have areas where Lutherans are everywhere, some areas where Catholics are everywhere, the south is largely Baptist and I think Methodist. So, I wonder, if religion is a big part of the areas they explore in their movies (but maybe it's just spirituality, which is easy to explore in the arts because creation has some mystery to it for sure) what mix they were exposed to or drawn to might impact that.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't really think the Christianity is the major theme in Hail Caesar, the proletariat screen writers, and the easily duped actor I think is a bigger theme.

Can those really be called themes, though? I think of them simply as plot points.

Barton Fink deals with I guess a Judaeo-Christian theme but but it really is more like Karma.

Barton Fink is in part why I noted the Coen brothers' Jewishness, but even moreso because of A Serious Man. Karma-like mechanics are even more present in that film.

That movie leaves you with a lot to wrestle with, well me anyway.

Pun intended?

How "Jewish" are they though? I guess they are culturally Jewish, but are they religious?

When I say someone is Jewish, I don't necessarily mean they're religious; about half of the Jews are religious. I don't think the Coen brothers are religious. There are other films that have religious or spiritual themes even though the director is agnostic; examples are Pulp Fiction and Pi.

But back to A Serious Man. Kabbalah, which is Judaism's mystical dimension, plays a big role in it, and they must have spent a considerable time studying it. They were probably exposed to it during childhood, as they were reared by religious parents, and must've maintained an interest in it into adulthood, regardless of whether or not they remained observant Jews. Perhaps it became more of an academic interest. I've studied kabbalah, and I was reminded of this film constantly.

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting, so I'd say yes if they were raised Jewish then that is going to be theme in their works, just like someone raised Catholic will probably use that kind of mystery-focus or mysticism that someone raised Baptist would not.

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Keep looking, and keep talking. You don't marry the first woman who is nice to you (wait I suspect most actually do that), and you don't find your "tribe" online or on your first trip outside. I find it easy to strike up conversations irl though so maybe what I'm saying isn't applicable. Someone I was running around with one day said to me "how does that always happen with you?" and I was like "what?" She was saying I always end up in long deep conversations with total strangers, and I just thought that was normal. I still think it is, kinda. I know I'm not the only one, I know people who do it much better and more often than I.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No, that isn't it. I find it easy to strike up conversations IRL as well, but nonetheless my tribe is online on forums like this one, or among the type of people that visit 4chan. I want to be able to say things like "covid psy-op" without making people frown. I know individuals who live in truth, but you won't stumble upon entire groups of such people IRL. The recalcitrant nature of chantards is what naturally makes them resist cough it measures; no-one has to educate them. That's why they're my tribe.

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well, after say 10 minutes or so you can get pretty much anyone to say "it's all bullshit anyway" or some variation on "psy-op" on just about any topic. I don't know what chantards are though, so I feel like maybe lingo might be the issue.

Actually I think "lingo" is an issue everywhere. I used to travel in very "left" and labor-based circles back when it was about tangible things and not social issues and identity bs. I later ended up around more middle-class artsy and educated beyond their intelligence (and usefulness really) self-proclaimed left circles (what frauds!). Now I'm around a variety of right-leaning to MAGA and other very right-wing people. The difference between economic "left" back then and "MAGA" now is just in the vocabulary and the historical understanding of how we got where we are. The social-issues left and the social-issues right will probably never see eye to eye on much of anything because their starting points a so far off.

At least the maga crowd and the old labor based left are starting from the point of view of a pay check and their local issues. They just don't speak the same lingo and don't have the same perspective on history. And I mean perspective, they are looking at the same historical events from different places. I think for example one way to unite them is to point out how the USSR was a failure, and how the Bolsheviks chose to cheat and manipulate things to gain power and how that was the seeds of their own downfall and in-fighting and paranoia. Similarly the French Revolution can be looked at the way Archbishop Lefevre sees it, when he asks "which one do you mean?" and he points to all the deaths caused by each of them because some manipulative group (stone-cutters at least in the first one if not others) set the classes against each other and probably created the class differences and social indifferences behind them. Ultimately we have to united, and we have to see each other's problems from each other's points of view and whittle our way down to the actual objective truths of any matters.

But the psyops go that far back if not much much futher.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Chantard means someone who browses 4chan. (It's a neutral term, not a derogatory one.)

I suppose the Netherlands isn't nearly as polarized as the US (which I'm going to assume you're from; correct me if I'm wrong). When I think about tribes, I think primarily around communities who establish themselves around some interest, not about left or right wing politics. I've never stumbled upon any left or right wing group IRL in my entire life.

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I used to be somewhat of a political activist. In the arts, in the US anyway, a lot of people are very politcal in the slactivist lazy meme for opinions way. I think it has to do with the way artists need some kind of empathy and sensativity to be expressive, so they are easily swayed.

Yes, I'm from the US. I've been to the Netherlands, to Amsterdam and Den Hague. I liked it a lot even though I didn't really partake in any much of the illicit activities.

I'm not sure why I drifted into politics, but I guess that is usually the biggest obstacle when people get together. I agree that "tribes" should mostly about activities and localities. I used to want to go to Castlefest which is held in the Netherlands because it looks crazy and fun and crazy, with some good bands and a lot probably not so good.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I almost went to Castlefest once but couldn't go, and it doesn't interest me as much anymore. It's funny how people from abroad look at it, though. Because the option was always there for me, it never struck me as something particularly special. I guess I'm not as enthusiastic about fantasy as many others - I never liked the Lord of the Rings films either.

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah, all that crazy fantasy and hippie and maybe anachronistic aspects of it either pull you in or not. I'm not drawn to it anymore either, but they do get some interesting bands. Coppelius blow my mind.