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[–]StillLessons 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay, I went and looked at the original document this article is discussing. The document appears legitimate, which is to say this is an official submission to the regulatory authorities by Pfizer describing the protocols for their study of adverse events related to the use of the Pfizer vaccine.

Whether these events (secondary exposure leading to adverse events) occur is not addressed in this document. This document is the set of procedures of how these events will be handled if they do occur during the study. In other words, this document does not show results, it shows planning. It shows how Pfizer will handle hypothetical events during their study. One of the hypothetical events they planned for is secondary exposure - i.e. someone who is not themselves administered the vaccine, but is in close personal contact with someone who is administered the vaccine as part of this study. This document states that secondary exposure is to be tracked as significant and must be recorded according to the protocol.

In plain English, Pfizer in this document states that if a person not directly administered the vaccine, but who is in close contact with a direct vaccine recipient, develops symptoms, that person's symptoms will be recorded and tracked as part of the study. That event (the secondary person developing a medical event) will be considered as related to the vaccine administered to the recipient as part of the study.

Again, although this says that Pfizer was preparing for this possibility, because this document does not state results but only protocol of the study itself, we cannot say based on this document that these exposures actually did lead to illness.

In other words, while this document shows that Pfizer was paying attention to this possibility, there remains the possibility that they found no events to track. Maybe the category of "secondary exposure" was created by these protocols, but in the results there were zero people to track as secondary people never developed symptoms. I'm not saying this is what happened, but based on this document, that remains a possibility.

All we know from this is that Pfizer kept a space open to monitor IF this happened. We do NOT know from this document THAT this happened.

I would love to see their results from this secondary exposure category. Those numbers I haven't seen.

The rumor of these events has been around since the beginning of the vax campaign. If anyone does find Pfizer's own results regarding this issue, that would be a critically important document. This document is not that.

[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're doing God's work, Stilllessons. Thank you. This sounds like it's CYA boilerplate they throw into any study.

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This. And I dunno why this is being spouted as new, since it was known about last year?

[–]portace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah, when conducting a clinical trial, you're supposed to prepare for possible adverse events. As far as I've seen, there's been no record of this phenomenon ever happening across animal/human trials.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I've been wondering if my recent omicron came from an argument with my double-jabbed neighbour who was shout-spitting with terrible dragon breath (coffee, cigarettes, halitosis, etc.).

[–]BravoVictor 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't buy it. The text they quote does not prove the sensationalist headline. It's just science jargon that the author doesn't understand.

[–]HenryGeorgeOfficial 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is hilarious! OMG yall believe this? Yeesh

edit: Yall can download and read the original Pfizer doc fyi. The original has literally zero mention of shedding or anything like that. And every adverse effect listed in the conspiritard article is in the actual doc, but in the actual doc they are just listing what would be considered a serious adverse effect (SAE) if it were to occur. Literally zero mention of how often they occur or whatever, because it's just a study protocol document. A study protocol document just says "here is what we are doing, and here are the bad stuff we are looking out for". There is zero, zilch, nada on the outcomes of the study, shedding, or anything else the conspiritard article claimed. If you believe this then I got a bridge to sell you.

[–]package 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

"Plain Dutch" sure looks a whole lot like normal modern English

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If that's true then your options are to be a hermit (which admittedly doesn't sound all that bad, but could be impossible for many) or just give up and accept the fact that you're fucked because nearly everyone is vaccinated and if they aren't they've been around vaccinated people a lot already.

[–]HenryGeorgeOfficial 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If that's true

Hint: it isn't.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope it isn't.

[–]Jatz_Crackers 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I've been saying avoid the jab at all costs from the start, feels good to be validated.

This is truth, don't @ me.

[–]3rd-degree_moonburn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Morons do tend to have an elevated sense of themselves...

[–]Gravi 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Jeez, if this is true, which by all means if Pfizer themselves have stated, then what the fuck now? The depopulation has already begun much earlier, nobody is reading this, no mass media outlets would ever report this. And even if I told this to someone, I'd get marked as a lunatic, a conspiracy theorist, a moron who has been brainwashed by Russian or whoever the fuck misinformation campaigners.

On a personal level, this would fuck up so much for me and my future plans, I hope these people are happy, they received their money.

Manufacturing consent is the name of the game, bottom line is money, so nobody gives a fuck.

[–]HenryGeorgeOfficial 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hint: it isn't.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am fucked then.

[–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I with little to no experience with photo shop can make a document from the CDC,NSA or any other goverment agency proving I can turn lead into gold. This like so much crap here and on reddit is just fear mongering.