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[–]restlessincanada 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

its not really america thats doing it, i think most americans, like most canadians, would be happy to live thier lives and mind thier own buisness and i think most europeans are this way too. its really the government, in europe and in north america, that has become the enemy of the people.

[–]cant_even 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Assuming OP is a European, why have you put up with the "Petrodollar" since 1974? Why didn't you all foreclose on "us" when Nixon unilaterally abandoned the gold-backed dollar?

Those two items have cost Euros and East Asians literal trillions in premiums, buying 'our reserve currency' to pay for energy. What did you gain?

Sorry if this sounds confrontational, but I've been asking this for ten years, and no one from a non-US POV has explained why you put up with it.

[–]raven9[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

First of all, back then the ordinary people had no clue what the petrodollar was all about. Even just ten years ago hardly anyone knew what it stood for. No one believed me when I tried to tell them in the 1990s that desert storm had nothing to do with a world supporting Kuwait. It was all about enforcing the petrodollar agreement. Even today most people dont understand that

Secondly, how was Europe going to oppose it even if they wanted to? Most of their oil was imported from the middle east so when OPEC said they require payment in U.S. Dollars the European nations were not given a choice. How many were even aware the purpose was to provide artificial strength for the US dollar?

[–]cant_even 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for the reply; as a US-ian I never understood how countries with centuries of additional experience in 'statecraft' and power-politics have allowed themselves to be railroaded by Uncle Sam all these years.

It's troubling to know there isn't going to be any "Marshall Plan" waiting in the wings when 'we' fall off the top of the reserve-currency mountain.

[–]raven9[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it is partly because uncle sam's people have been grooming European leaders since at least the 1970s. Not sure exactly how they are doing it but feel pretty sure the bilderberg group is a big part of it. the ones that stand out to me are Britain's Margerate Thatcher and Tony Blair. Thatcher was invited to the Bilderberg Group meeting several times before she was ever Prime Minister, Blair also, the year before he took over leadership of his party. Then when they became prime minister they act like lap dogs to U.S. policy and if you look at Europe today they are all like vassal states to the U.S. Weak and cowardly leaders that turned on Putin like the pack of jackals he said they are. They all know what the situation was in Ukraine but instead of backing him in his fight against CIA backed neo-nazis they do as they are told by the U.S. It really is a disgrace.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Europe's real enemy is Israel.

[–]raven9[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Geo-politically speaking Israel and the US are pretty much interchangable.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Never.