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[–]wxyz 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Seat belt laws are about the first responders and general public when crashes happen. I agree it isn't really about your personal individual safety though that is how a politician or many others spin such policies. The system of public policy like first responders do not want to impaled bodies needing to be pulled down out of trees, pulling bodies off of steering columns upon which they were impaled, or shoveling them up from the roadway after they are slide across the rough pavement which acts as a cheese grater. The first responders do not want the mental trauma/haunts of such visuals which were common before seatbelts, and nor do we want such haunts/visuals for the general public which witnesses crash scenes from time to time.

Funny fact is when seat belts were introduced auto crashes went UP... so you could argue they lowered personal safety in that one sense. Seat belts provided a feeling of safety so people were less worried about getting into a crash so they drove more risky/fast/fun. When people knew you could be thrown clear through the windshield IF you crashed or impaled upon your steering column you drove a lot more carefully than people do when knowing are strapped into the seat. They also didn't have safety glass originally so going through your windshield was likely to decapitate you or slice you to bits.

[–]Antarchomachus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for the reply wxyz. Yeah, I am familiar with Ralph Nader's 'Unsafe at any Speed', so I have heard a few of these facts, though I had forgotten about this and glad you brought these points up.

The psychological effects of witnessing such horrific accidents you mention are also valid.

This debate has more nuance than my somewhat purposefully inflammatory rhetoric was suggesting. I think I wanted people to consider where the limits of personal safety enforcement ought to be, but talking to you thoughtful saiditers has made me realize there are other factors to consider as well, and the calculus isn't so simple. Appreciate the thought provoking discussion.

[–]wxyz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Same issues exist for motorcycle helmet laws.(brain buckets) Some states require them, others don't. If you crash on a motorcycle at like 30+ mph you are more likely to bleed out (road rash) or die from blunt force. In no place that I know of do we legally require motorcycle riders to wear protective gear or heavy clothing (outside of helmets) because I suppose its not as messy/gory to wash blood & skin away with a power washer, but we do (in some states) require helmets because lets be honest nobody wants to shovel up brains, or wants to see a person missing half their skull.

[–]Antarchomachus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am sympathetic to that. My post was a bit of hyperbole inspired by frustration that laws surrounding protecting us for our own good are somewhat inconsistent ideologically. I think I just wanted people to think about where and hoe we ought to draw the line - I'll admit I don't have the answer, its a complex and nuanced issue even if I want to pretend it's simple sometimes.