We Don't Fine the Overweight for Eating at KFC or Why Seatbelt Laws are the Trojan Horse of Fascism.

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[–]yetanotherone_sigh 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There are some nuances to this. Hear me out.

If you are riding on a motorcycle and you don't want to wear a helmet, a lot of people are thinking that you are only risking your own life and that is a risk you should be willing to take. But you don't always just die. You could become a vegetable and have to be taken care of at government's expense. You could have children, and if you become a vegetable or die, the government has to take care of them.

If you are riding in a car without a seatbelt, similarly you're not the only one at risk. Your body becomes a missile and can injure or kill other people in the car. And, again, you might not die. My grandfather was a firefighter in the 60s and 70s before seatbelt use was widespread. His fire truck was t-boned by a drunk driver going 100mph. The fire truck was hit so hard it tipped onto its side. He spent weeks in the hospital and months recuperating before he could return to his job. The drunk driver was killed, of course.

If you go to public school or university, spreading disease is one vector where your own inadvertent actions can kill or disable others. So you have to have a very long list of vaccine injections by the time you are old enough for elementary school. They are compulsory or you cannot attend. That's the part that anti-vaxxers seem to not want to engage with. If you are resistant to taking a new vaccine, what about all the other dozens of them you had by the time you were five years old? Why no protest until now? If you were truly a staunch lifelong believer, wouldn't you have already protested?

I think anti-vaxxers should have to start their own schools or homeschool their kids. Stay out of public theaters, restaurants, stores, concerts unless they are willing to submit to PCR testing before entering, at their own expense. If you want to be a burden to society, you should pay the price for your burden. Isn't the republican party the party of personal responsibility?

One further thing I want to interject into the conversation: The bible says, if you are sick, you are to stay outside of town, cover your face with a piece of cloth, and shout "unclean! unclean!" if anyone tries to approach you. Whenever I point this out to a "Christian" anti-vaxxer, crickets.

[–]Antarchomachus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks for the reply, I hear some of your points and have a response for you.

First, I am not a republican or a christian, I am a registered Democrat believe it or not, I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary and Green Party in the General

Second, the difference between this vaccine and others is that since I got a measles and tetanus vaccine, I cannot be infected with Tetanus or Measles or transmit it to others. Not the case with this vaccine.

Third, OK then where does it end? Would you also be okay with ticketing the overweight and firing them when they get diabetes and heart disease and end up in the ICU or unable to care for their children?

[–]yetanotherone_sigh 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am also a Berniecrat. Fist bump. I voted for him in the primary (twice) and wrote him in during the general election (twice) because he wasn't on the ballot.

In terms of it being a leaky vaccine, you do have a point. And I think it got lost in the noise, being that this virus mutates fast, the whole point wasn't to eradicate the virus. We can't do that for the flu or the common cold either. The point was to keep the medical system from collapsing entirely. I saw the original report that was leaked from the Trump administration (220 pages long) analyzing all the ins and outs. If we had done nothing, 2.2 million people would now be dead. So we are doing some good, not enough.

I do think that medical insurance may start charging extra for no-vaxxers (or giving vaxxers a discount, which is the same thing). Since I don't set policy, and I really have no impact at all except for the town forum like this one... no one asked me, so my opinion doesn't really have any weight.

[–]Antarchomachus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, its great just to have a conversation with someone who doesn't either fully agree with me, or think I am a monster, lol. It's honestly the hyper-politicization media coverage that has me screaming bloody fascism with all the Trumpers, and I forget that when I resort to the same sort of inflexibility and 'othering' that I am no different than what I am protesting about.

Between Bernie supporters, my 'vaccine hesitation' was purely based on skepticism that Big Pharma was accurately representing the safety and efficacy of their drug. I think that got lost in my anger when I didn't find much ideological support from the left. I think you are right that the vaccines have likely saved lives, however I they also appear less safe and effective than originally advertised, and that is a little concerning to me when we are firing people for not doing something. Perhaps it would be better to object to where the bar is, not that it exists, you've certainly given me something to think about.

This is my first day on saidit, and happy to have a quality interaction already. Looking forward to future discussions.

[–]Antarchomachus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I probably shouldn't have made the tone of this post so combative - I appreciate the thought you put into your response, and am realizing that my rhetoric may not be the best way to get the nuance of my own arguments across. Things are so divisive right now, it's easy to get sucked in. Thanks for tempering my outrage friend.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

gotta get rid of all the vaccine requirements, those were like seatbelts never should have been allowed. Those were when you were a baby or a kid so you didn't know any better. We'd all be smarter and healthier without them.

The bible thing is about circucmcision, and we must outlaw that too.