So they are telling the unjabbed to take the jab because the jab works And telling the jabbed to get a booster because the jab doesn’t work All while telling everyone that the unjabbed are putting the jabbed in danger by not getting the jab that didn’t protect the jabbed. #science

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[–]fschmidt 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (17 children)

Should make perfect sense to modern morons.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

So they are telling the unjabbed to take the jab because the jab works.

Yes

And telling the jabbed to get a booster because the jab doesn’t work.

No (Vaccines help for 90 days each, helping build immunity to new strains)

All while telling everyone that the unjabbed are putting the jabbed in danger by not getting the jab

Yes

that didn’t protect the jabbed.

No (as it helps for 90 day periods)

science

Yes

[–]StillLessons 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

A reminder, when the vaccines were rolled out, the public was softened up for future injury when the "Fauci Ouchie" term was coined. Why does that matter? Because the expected immediate effects of this shot were known at once to be greater than the vaccines previously deployed. What does that mean? It means that giving this shot - even as acknowledged by the makers - is shocking your immune system; it is taxing it; it is making it work hard to fight the introduced foreign element. That's the meaning of the "feeling like crap" that they told us to expect.

Now you, my dear Socks, are saying, "Meh, no big deal, we'll do this every three months." I guess it never occurs to you to ask, "Hmm, maybe giving a shock treatment to the immune system every three months might exhaust it? Maybe a rested immune system just might function better than a stressed one?"

What you are proclaiming as science is profoundly dangerous, and obviously so, with even a millisecond of basic consideration of human physiology.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Yes, science can be used to help people abuse other people. I appreciate that we do want to know more about vaccines before taking them, but they are among the most tested/used forms of medicine (billions of doses administered). Getting COVID19 can be much worse, one result of which is supposedly the reduction of fertility among men (search: COVID19 reduces fertility).

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

they are among the most tested/used forms of medicine

bull fucking shit dude. mRNA products have never been used on humans before this fake pandemic.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I refer to the tracking of these doses: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

And to the ongoing research: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w

Yes, still much to learn, however.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

dodging my point like a propagandist I see. you're dirty AF socks.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If I'm dirty AF, so too are billions of others who aren't worried about vaccines.

I think I addressed your points. First test on a human in 2007. (See the Nature link, which also mentions the 'industry' of mRNA vaccine research in the 2000s, which deserves scrutiny.)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

See the Nature link, which also mentions the 'industry' of mRNA vaccine research in the 2000s, which deserves scrutiny

you don't get to deny science and placate me at the same time. are all historical vaccines mRNA or not? You cannot ethically conflate mRNA with non-mRNA. yet you continue to do so. we're TWO FUCKING YEARS into this.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Not to continue this or to annoy you, but I don't see how I denied science, or placate anyone, or conflate mRNA with non-mRNA, or that nearly 2 years of 8.8 billion doses is the only significant reliable data, by contrast with mRNA research since the late 1990s.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

i thought it was 6 months

will it keep getting reduced

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yes. I found this, but it too will be updated: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

it's cuz the covid keeps mutating, so vaccines aren't the answer to this

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If it spreads, it mutates. If one doesn't get the vaccine, there is greater difficulty dealing with the virus, which also spreads to others. Unvaccinated people are also likely to get COVID more than once, and to be hospitalized. If one gets the vaccine, it helps the body build antibodies that help with the latest strains, and most vaccinated people avoid going to the hospital. But because millions are still unvaccinated, the virus spreads and mutates, and thus everyone still requires the vaccine every [90] days.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

spreads the same vaccinated or not

actually spreads more in the vaccinated now

hospitals are empty tho so it's good that omicron isn't serious

every 30 days is crazy, that is just to increase the chances people get vaccine long haul

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

spreads the same vaccinated or not

No (This conflates, spreading, mutating, and damage caused by COVID. It spreads less among the vaccinated.)

actually spreads more in the vaccinated now

No (This conflates vaccinated and unvaccinated groups in places where they've not had masks.)

hospitals are empty tho so it's good that omicron isn't serious

No (hospitals are packed .)

every 30 days is crazy, that is just to increase the chances people get vaccine long haul

No - every 90 days, though we were initially informed of a 6 month window of vaccine effectiveness

Edit - SORRY - I see that I put 30 days instead of 90 days and have now corrected it. Yikes - that's enough internet for me today.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Remember when the government used to calm people instead of rile them up?

Me neither.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Opposite of this.

[–]StillLessons 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

The unvaccinated like Elizabeth Warren? Or perhaps Cori Booker? Oh, you mean Jim Cramer! Colin Powell?

Looking a little further afield and getting statistical, for the week of November 27 - December 3 in Scotland, 64% of the covid cases were in vaccinated individuals. 66% of the hospitalizations were in vaccinated individuals.

But this winter will be great for the vaccinated! We'll simply pretend those people counted by Public Health Scotland (https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/10853/21-12-15-covid19-winter_publication_report.pdf) don't exist. This winter will be filled with covid ONLY if you are unvaccinated.

Sorry, the numbers are what they are.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

This is all about compliance.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

every person that i have talked to that got the vaccine has had extreme side effects.

no kidding.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know people who’ve had it. Some were fine, others not so much. But those who were fine had to take paracetamol and drink lots of water on the day they got jabbed. But even that didn’t help some of them. But the long term affects are still unknown.

This is why I firmly believe that vaccines should be a choice.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck you.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

How festive

https://twitter.com/drrollergator/status/1473012730009374725?t=tRU8JeamPDny8_NEjJ1H3g&s

[–]Gaslov 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (10 children)

I have someone on my Facebook feed currently asking for prayers to save her husband and blaming hospital protocols for refusing to use "natural" remedies to treat him.

Whoever convinced you to fear vaccination hates you.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

"fear vaccination"? Pointing out that a particular treatment being sold as a 'vaccine' doesn't work is not fear of vaccination, you are making a serious logical error. Your statement is as logical as the following: "Whoever convinced you to fear flying over the ocean in a Ford Pinto hates you".

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Your leap of logic seems to have been done in that Ford Pinto.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

this says we're looking at a winter of severe illness and death. Realistically that will happen to just 1% of people vaccinated or not. Why do we have the website of the president putting this out. Weird times.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

That's because the example of the flying ford pinto was using the rhetorical device called "ad absurdum". This points out that the logical extension of a flawed premise leads only to absurdity. The flawed premise was that equating a recognition that the pfizer, moderna, etc shots do not prevent catching or transmitting this virus is equal to a "fear of vaccination".
These treatments provide immunity in the same way a Pinto can fly, ie they don't work as advertised.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Are you saying you weren't in that Ford Pinto?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

check his name, it's satire, laughing about myocarditis

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I had noticed. It's funny.

[–]StillLessons 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I am vaccinated against many many bugs. I've never had a problem with "vaccination". All of those therapies were tested over years, the kinks worked out, and then carefully administered to populations as necessary. None of these criteria are met with these shots. It's not fear. It's shock at watching the "medical science" establishment behave in a way so at odds with the genuine science practiced for the past century. You who believe this is about "vaxxers" vs "anti-vaxxers" have so oversimplified the story that you are blind to the reality which lies between the two poles you have so rigidly crafted.

[–]proc0 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I fear totalitarian governments that will literally hold your own health hostage to engage in society. Is that not something you see at all happening? Let's see if that changes on the 5th shot, and if not and you're in favor of annual shots dictated by the government, then you might as well support mass murder of government dissidents (which I wouldn't be surprised at this point).

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I got only one vaccination in my life, which very nearly killed me and prompted my doctor to tell my mom how the next jab would kill me WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY.

Because what they put in them is GOOD FOR HEALTH.

[–]WhenImBanned 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Is this real? Because it's written so unprofessionally, way below what you would expect from the white house. The clear change of tone when they get to the unvaccinated, it's like a child who can't hold down his temper when mentioning someone they don't like.

[–]Raudskeggr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can see why you would be confused. It's hard to make it easy for the simple-minded to understand.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The rates of death are abysmally low for people who get coronavirus. And there are several known cures, outside of the vaccine.

[–]Jatz_Crackers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Never been jabbed, never had covid, no heart issues.