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[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You obviously have not researched 9/11 in the slightest bit. Whatever happened to the passengers is not my knowing. All we know is that there were plane swaps, on the ground (Flight 77) and in the air. We also know for a fact that ACARs, proves more than anything else, that UA93 and Flight 175 were flying westward well after their passenger jet drones crashed either into the facade of the towers, or as Rumsfeld said, was "shot down" over Shanksville. ACARS data proves without a doubt that the offical narrative is a lie, period.

When Ellen Mariani sued, her lawyer wanted the judge removed from the case due to his conflict of interest, his son’s law firm represented ICTS, the Israeli company that provided security at the airport the planes were hijacked from, among numerous other conflicts of interest. They were attacked as – what else? – “anti-semites.”

https://marianilawsuit.wordpress.com/

Mariani, along with her lawyer Bruce Leichty, were threatened with sanctions “in the form of double costs, for which Mariani and Leichty would be jointly and severally liable” and were condemned for “ad hominem attacks”, “bombastic challenges to the integrity of the district court” and “deeply troubling personal slurs”.

Mariani’s April 19, 2012 brief noted, in part that “Judge Hellerstein and his wife Mildred are known to be active supporters of Israeli causes, and it is implausible that Judge Hellerstein would not at least be on inquiry notice of the affiliations of his son’s law firm and the connections of his son’s clients to Israeli and Israeli-linked defendants in a case before him, particularly in a case of the magnitude of the 911 case.” It continued “It is not plausible that Judge Hellerstein, a highly-educated and connected supporter of Israeli causes, was unaware of the connections of his son’s law firm.”

In fact, Mariani knew that Hellerstein was pressuring everyone to take settlements – basically, take some money and shut up.

“Federal Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein has presided over all of the proceedings arising out of the terrorist acts that beset the United States of America on September 11, 201 1, including but not limited to the crashing of United Airlines Flight 175 into the South Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City, leading to the death of Appellant’s husband Louis Neil Mariani. The effect of Judge Hellerstein’s supervision and rulings has been that no trial has been held on any wrongful death or survivorship claim arising from any of the 9/11 plane crashes… Consistent with pressure exerted by Judge Hellerstein at numerous points, settlements have been sought and approved as to all claims made to date, and Mariani believes that her claim and the claim of her deceased husband’s Estate–settlement of which was fashioned over her objection–are the only 9/11 claims not yet the subject of binding resolution by final nonappealable order.”

Mariani lost one of her own on Flight 175. So we can be sure there were real passengers, it is jsut that ACARS proves that 175 did not hit the towers. As it was pinged flying westward, likely to an undiscolsed miltiary base, as was perfectly written out in Operation Northwoods. But it Northwoods case, they would use fake passengers with Aliases, switch transponder with Passenger jet drone and have mock funerals after the fact.

PICCOcalls also prove that UA93 and 175 were undergoing a live hijackign drill at the time as passengers were able to use their cellphones by plugging the numebr into the airphone. PICCOcalls can only be done via a transponder on the plane and are only utilized for live hijacking drills. So it is likely these passengers were unknowingly part of a live hijacking drill, whether they believed it or not. Whatever the case may be, 175 was hundreds of miles west flying in the opposite direction.

[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You're the one making the argument, so you need to account for the flaws in your theory. One of those glaring, plane-sized flaws is what happened to all the passengers onboard the planes. You don't get to wave your hands over every gap in logic and go "that's not my problem."

Take your fucking meds

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Crap, he can't explain the passengers. In that case, I guess 9/11 happened like big brother says it did. Bravo, amazing work.

[–]VirgilGriff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

That's not some minor quibble. It's a major flaw in his theory. He can't explain it because there's no explanation that doesn't strain the credulity even in his schizoid brain. "Guys, all they had to do was hijack four 737s fully laden with passengers and then land those jets unexpectedly before a state of emergency was declared without anyone realizing that it was unusual and then offload the passengers and kill them all, then activate the futuristic remote-control drone override box that maintenance personnel installed in the cockpits months before without anyone noticing and then take the planes off without anyone noticing and then put them back on their original route where their transponders were turned back on but no one noticed and then the empty places were remotely flown into the buildings, and all the hundreds of people involved in keeping this quiet would've had to remain quiet about the biggest and most complicated and most unnecessary conspiracy ever for two decades.

INB4 his argument is updated on the fly to "yeah well maybe all those passengers actually were on the planes in the first place! You can't prove they weren't knocked out with sleeping gas!" and he pretends he never said otherwise.

I've seen these arguments since the days of Loose Change when some 16-year-old schizoid claimed a single frame of footage was able to prove the planes shot a laser beam out before they crashed into the towers, as otherwise they would've turned into Wiley-E-Coyote on the superstructure.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Were Israel and the US and PNAC responsible for 9/11?

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

INB4 his argument is updated on the fly to "yeah well maybe all those passengers actually were on the planes in the first place! You can't prove they weren't knocked out with sleeping gas!" and he pretends he never said otherwise.

I already proved via ACARS data alone, that the official 9/11 story is a blatant lie. If flight 175 was pinged 200 miles from where it was said to have crashed, flying westward, then it was 200 miles flying westward and something else struck the building, such as a commercial airliner drone. It's really that simple. You can't forge ACARS pings. The plane swaps prove this as well, as evidenced by pilots for 9/11 truth.

All you're doing is ignoring the evidence and spewing ad hominems. If I had to guess, you're a shill.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

INB4 you're a shill. I can play the game too. Fortunately for me and truth, and Mariani, you can't debunk the Acars data.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

the people that said they got calls from passengers simply lied

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Possibly, possibly not. Like I said Piccocalls happened. Meaning that some passengers were able to call via cellphones through airphones but this can ONLY HAPPEN and these transponders are only retrofitted on planes which are undergoing LIVE HIJACKING DRILLS.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I remember watching Jesse Ventura's conspiracy show and he spent a long time showing the technology existed to alter one's voice so it sounded just like someone else, so someone could have called and made it seem like they really were the loved one the person knew, I'm thinking occams razor says they just lied. I guess it's hard for some to believe people would be so craven as to lie about such a thing. They don't allow a real investigation tho so they're hiding something.