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[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Yes, I admit passenger jet drones were flown into the towers and ACARs data, which has never been refuted and which proves 9/11 was a false flag, that 9/11 AIRCRAFT, specifically, Flight 175 and UA93 WERE AIRBORNE LONG AFTER CRASH. Every place also had either a ground or in flight place swap!

See here:

Part 1: https://archive.vn/7OiB8

Part 2: https://archive.vn/QjjS1

All these messages were confirmed as received and even the routing via PA stations is known....

Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) is a device used to send messages to and from an aircraft. Very similar to text messages and email we use today, Air Traffic Control, the airline itself, and other airplanes can communicate with each other via this "texting" system. ACARS was developed in 1978 and is still used today. Similar to cell phone networks, the ACARS network has remote ground stations installed around the world to route messages from ATC, the airline, etc, to the aircraft depending on it's location and vice versa. ACARS Messages have been provided through the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) which demonstrate that the aircraft received messages through ground stations located in Harrisburg, PA, and then later routed through a ground station in Pittsburgh, 20 minutes after the aircraft allegedly impacted the South Tower in New York. How can messages be routed through such remote locations if the aircraft was in NY, not to mention how can messages be routed to an aircraft which allegedly crashed 20 minutes earlier? Pilots For 9/11 Truth have briefly touched on this subject in 9/11: Intercepted through the excellent research of "Woody Box", who initially discovered such alarming information in the released FOIA documents(1). We now have further information which confirms the aircraft was not in the vicinity of New York City when the attacks occurred.

These are the 'text' (ACARS) messages in question - The format for these messages is pretty straight forward. To limit the technical details, we will explain the most important parts of the messages, however, for full Message Block Format Code standards, click here. The remote ground station (MDT in the message below) used to route the message to the aircraft, the time and date in which the message is sent (111259, meaning the 11th of Sept, at 1259Z or 0859 Eastern), the flight number (UA175), and the tail number of the airplane in which the message is intended (N612UA), are all highlighted in red. The underlined date and time is when the message was received by the airplane.

This message was sent on Sept 11, at 1259Z (8:59AM Eastern) to United Flight 175, tail number N612UA, routed through the MDT remote ground station (Harrisburg International Airport, also known as Middleton).

        DDLXCXA SFOLM CHI58R SFOFRSAM

        .SFOLMUA 111259/JER
        CMD

        AN N612UA/GL MDT

       - QUSFOLMUA 1UA175 BOSLAX


       I HEARD OF A REPORTED INCIDENT ABOARD YOUR ACFT. PLZ VERIFY ALL

        IS NORMAL....THX 777SAM


        SFOLM JERRY TSEN

       ;09111259 108575 0543

__________________________________________--

So you admit the two 737s crashed into the twin towers, but maintain that the amount of damage they caused wasn't sufficient to destroy the buildings, and that orchestrators of the attacks knew this and planted explosives in the same floors that the planes hit, waited for a fire to rage for some 60 minutes, then successfully detonated the explosives, without the explosives failing to work or exploding in the fire?

Explosives in dust have been proven. They used PETN, detcord and nono-thermite to cut certain beams. It is likely in the areas where the passenger jet drones hit the facade, they reinforced the elevator shafts so the detcord would noy get dislodged. And we are of course, forgeting about teh demolition of building WTC7.

How is that more likely than the plane crashes simply damaged the building enough for it to collapse?

The liklihood is near 0%. Every sequence, including the streamlining of explosives down the core columns of the building (top-down demo) skipping every third flood ahead of collapse sequence proves demolition and not mere gravitational collapse.

We know they were capable of destroying insulation, we know they took out numerous structural supports, and we know the heat weakened the integrity of the steel sufficient for it to bend. We also know the weight of the building it was supporting, and simulations have shown the same type of collapse from the same type of damage.

The planes did not take out any of the core columns. The floors in these areas either were likely reinforced so as to not dislodge explosives.

We know the heat weakened the integrity of the steel sufficient for it to bend.

Nope, not at all. Even NISt had to backtrack and say the temperatures were not even hot enough to bend the steal columns, not even close.

[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

So you also believe that the 737s that were flown into the towers had the passengers removed and/or didn't have passengers in the first place, and were remotely piloted by drones?

How is that more likely? Why would that even be necessary for your first theory to be correct? The planes could've still contained humans. Why would they need to be drones? Why wouldn't it be possible for it to be a murder suicide? There are dozens of murder suicides a year. There are dozens of suicide bombers a year, or at least a few, moreso at that time.

Why wouldn't people commit suicide by crashing planes into a building?

How is your proposal even remotely MORE plausible?

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

You obviously have not researched 9/11 in the slightest bit. Whatever happened to the passengers is not my knowing. All we know is that there were plane swaps, on the ground (Flight 77) and in the air. We also know for a fact that ACARs, proves more than anything else, that UA93 and Flight 175 were flying westward well after their passenger jet drones crashed either into the facade of the towers, or as Rumsfeld said, was "shot down" over Shanksville. ACARS data proves without a doubt that the offical narrative is a lie, period.

When Ellen Mariani sued, her lawyer wanted the judge removed from the case due to his conflict of interest, his son’s law firm represented ICTS, the Israeli company that provided security at the airport the planes were hijacked from, among numerous other conflicts of interest. They were attacked as – what else? – “anti-semites.”

https://marianilawsuit.wordpress.com/

Mariani, along with her lawyer Bruce Leichty, were threatened with sanctions “in the form of double costs, for which Mariani and Leichty would be jointly and severally liable” and were condemned for “ad hominem attacks”, “bombastic challenges to the integrity of the district court” and “deeply troubling personal slurs”.

Mariani’s April 19, 2012 brief noted, in part that “Judge Hellerstein and his wife Mildred are known to be active supporters of Israeli causes, and it is implausible that Judge Hellerstein would not at least be on inquiry notice of the affiliations of his son’s law firm and the connections of his son’s clients to Israeli and Israeli-linked defendants in a case before him, particularly in a case of the magnitude of the 911 case.” It continued “It is not plausible that Judge Hellerstein, a highly-educated and connected supporter of Israeli causes, was unaware of the connections of his son’s law firm.”

In fact, Mariani knew that Hellerstein was pressuring everyone to take settlements – basically, take some money and shut up.

“Federal Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein has presided over all of the proceedings arising out of the terrorist acts that beset the United States of America on September 11, 201 1, including but not limited to the crashing of United Airlines Flight 175 into the South Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City, leading to the death of Appellant’s husband Louis Neil Mariani. The effect of Judge Hellerstein’s supervision and rulings has been that no trial has been held on any wrongful death or survivorship claim arising from any of the 9/11 plane crashes… Consistent with pressure exerted by Judge Hellerstein at numerous points, settlements have been sought and approved as to all claims made to date, and Mariani believes that her claim and the claim of her deceased husband’s Estate–settlement of which was fashioned over her objection–are the only 9/11 claims not yet the subject of binding resolution by final nonappealable order.”

Mariani lost one of her own on Flight 175. So we can be sure there were real passengers, it is jsut that ACARS proves that 175 did not hit the towers. As it was pinged flying westward, likely to an undiscolsed miltiary base, as was perfectly written out in Operation Northwoods. But it Northwoods case, they would use fake passengers with Aliases, switch transponder with Passenger jet drone and have mock funerals after the fact.

PICCOcalls also prove that UA93 and 175 were undergoing a live hijackign drill at the time as passengers were able to use their cellphones by plugging the numebr into the airphone. PICCOcalls can only be done via a transponder on the plane and are only utilized for live hijacking drills. So it is likely these passengers were unknowingly part of a live hijacking drill, whether they believed it or not. Whatever the case may be, 175 was hundreds of miles west flying in the opposite direction.

[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

You're the one making the argument, so you need to account for the flaws in your theory. One of those glaring, plane-sized flaws is what happened to all the passengers onboard the planes. You don't get to wave your hands over every gap in logic and go "that's not my problem."

Take your fucking meds

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Crap, he can't explain the passengers. In that case, I guess 9/11 happened like big brother says it did. Bravo, amazing work.

[–]VirgilGriff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

That's not some minor quibble. It's a major flaw in his theory. He can't explain it because there's no explanation that doesn't strain the credulity even in his schizoid brain. "Guys, all they had to do was hijack four 737s fully laden with passengers and then land those jets unexpectedly before a state of emergency was declared without anyone realizing that it was unusual and then offload the passengers and kill them all, then activate the futuristic remote-control drone override box that maintenance personnel installed in the cockpits months before without anyone noticing and then take the planes off without anyone noticing and then put them back on their original route where their transponders were turned back on but no one noticed and then the empty places were remotely flown into the buildings, and all the hundreds of people involved in keeping this quiet would've had to remain quiet about the biggest and most complicated and most unnecessary conspiracy ever for two decades.

INB4 his argument is updated on the fly to "yeah well maybe all those passengers actually were on the planes in the first place! You can't prove they weren't knocked out with sleeping gas!" and he pretends he never said otherwise.

I've seen these arguments since the days of Loose Change when some 16-year-old schizoid claimed a single frame of footage was able to prove the planes shot a laser beam out before they crashed into the towers, as otherwise they would've turned into Wiley-E-Coyote on the superstructure.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Were Israel and the US and PNAC responsible for 9/11?

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

INB4 his argument is updated on the fly to "yeah well maybe all those passengers actually were on the planes in the first place! You can't prove they weren't knocked out with sleeping gas!" and he pretends he never said otherwise.

I already proved via ACARS data alone, that the official 9/11 story is a blatant lie. If flight 175 was pinged 200 miles from where it was said to have crashed, flying westward, then it was 200 miles flying westward and something else struck the building, such as a commercial airliner drone. It's really that simple. You can't forge ACARS pings. The plane swaps prove this as well, as evidenced by pilots for 9/11 truth.

All you're doing is ignoring the evidence and spewing ad hominems. If I had to guess, you're a shill.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

INB4 you're a shill. I can play the game too. Fortunately for me and truth, and Mariani, you can't debunk the Acars data.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

the people that said they got calls from passengers simply lied

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Possibly, possibly not. Like I said Piccocalls happened. Meaning that some passengers were able to call via cellphones through airphones but this can ONLY HAPPEN and these transponders are only retrofitted on planes which are undergoing LIVE HIJACKING DRILLS.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I remember watching Jesse Ventura's conspiracy show and he spent a long time showing the technology existed to alter one's voice so it sounded just like someone else, so someone could have called and made it seem like they really were the loved one the person knew, I'm thinking occams razor says they just lied. I guess it's hard for some to believe people would be so craven as to lie about such a thing. They don't allow a real investigation tho so they're hiding something.

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't need to theorize anything. I've proven already that the official sanctioned story is a lie by ACARS pings alone. Pilots for 9/11 truth have already proven it years ago. What happened to the pssengers flying westward well after the drones' crashed into beacons or the one shot down over PA, we won't ever know. While FAA was tracking the drones, the airplane companies were tracking the real flights. The conspirators screwed up more than enough times. ACARS proves the official story is a lie. It's never been refuted. Same with the Picco-calls.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Take your meds?

How about you screw off Hasbara shill.

[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

lol I struck a nerve. Reminding you to take your meds made you reply to me six times.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

he's right tho you're a shill

[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Who's right? Your alt? As you reply to me three times on this account in a 4 day old thread minutes after I reply to your alt?

Take your meds, schizoposter. My point still stands about you needing to address the flaws in your argument.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

/u/popper is not my alt-accoutn. He can atttest to that, so cannot magnora7. Secondly, you didn't address anything I had to say, instead you spewed fallacies and ad hominems and then claimed there were flaws in my argument. Apparently, I'm suppose to explain something I don't know but the things I do know, such as ACARS data proving the offical 9/11 narrative to be a fraud, is all but ignored by you.

Take your meds, schizoposter.

Funny, no substance though.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

no Jesus this is you. I'm you too. I'm alt-Jesus.