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[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

A good government doesn't neccesarily has to be permissive. Ideal citizens should have duties. The US for example is hardly the ideal Republic. It's overall a joke as a nation and yet is one of the best things we have.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not just permissiveness which causes problems. It's general ease of living and safety.

https://stories.swns.com/news/roman-empire-fell-because-prosperity-made-people-weak-claims-researcher-66340/