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[–]package 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (38 children)

... the windsor tower was ~4x shorter than the world trade center towers and hadn't suffered an impact from a 747 and hadn't been doused in burning jet fuel at that impact site and wasn't within 200 feet of an equally sized building that had just collapsed

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Is this some kind of joke?

[–]AlanSmith33 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (26 children)

WTC was designed to withstand an aircraft impact, jetfuel doesn't melt steel beams and the first tower to fall wasn't within 200 feet of any collapsed building. Also, WTC7.

[–]package 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

  • Jet fuel, and fires in general, don't get hot enough melt steel beams but absolutely can reach temperatures that negatively impact the rigidity and maximum load of such beams

  • The first one wasn't but the second was, which makes this post's title a bit disingenuous as the three collapses were all part of the same incident

[–]yetanotherone_sigh 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Indeed. You don't have to "melt steel beams" to get them to buckle. Anyone who knows any kind of structural engineering or metallurgy or blacksmithing or anything knows this.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

That doesn't explain the freefall collapse through floors that were NOT on fire, designed and fortified to hold up the entire structure. The mass did not dramatically increase enough to erase physics.

[–]package 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum

I know what momentum is.

When the cue ball strikes the other balls the energy is distributed to disperse them and thus the cue ball and other balls do not travel at the initial velocity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_fall

Free fall means no kinetic momentum or gravitational energy is being distributed (slowing it down) - thus that MASSIVE extreme architecture necessary to hold up the entire structure of BOTH of the TALLEST buildings in the world (in the 70s) just happened to not offer any resistance at all. There was certainly MUCH more at play than just a fire for a few hours - "coincidentally" times three. Even if there was pancaking, it would have been a MUCH slower effect, the external frame of the building would have endured better, and there's little chance anything would have fallen symmetrically.

[–]package 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You clearly don't have even a clue what momentum is if you think the collapse would be slower and not essentially a free fall. After each successive failure, the next floor down is now taking the weight of all the floors above it in addition to the added force of their momentum as they accelerate downward. Each floor would fail more quickly than the last up to the point were only a small amount of the falling debris is actually encountering any resistance. And the "external structure" of the building does not exist in isolation; it gets pulled inward as the frame that it's anchored to is crushed downward.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Momentum would continue onward without resistance - but there's a fucking skyscraper in the way (plus wind resistance, jk).

You're clearly buying into the propaganda.

[–]package 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Step by step and simplified for the mentally challenged boomer:

  1. A floor collapses. You now have one floor of material in free fall for ~15 feet.

  2. One floor of material impacts the floor below with a greater load that its own weight, as it was just in free fall for ~15 feet and has gained momentum. This is just enough force to cause this floor to collapse as well. You now have two floors worth of material in free fall for ~15 feet.

  3. Two floors worth of debris + the momentum gained from the ~15 foot free fall impacts the floor below, collapsing it much easier than the previous impact. You now have three floors worth of material in free fall for ~15 feet.

  4. At this point so much debris has begun falling that the next floor collapses before all the debris has event hit it. You now have 4 floors worth of debris falling, with an increasing amount of that debris falling a greater distance and gaining more momentum before it impacts some part of the building below. When it does hit, the structure is no longer able to absorb the force and sections below the debris are violently thrown downward with more speed and momentum than they would have had from simply breaking off.

Now go back to the beginning of this comment and add around 1/8th of the weight of the building to the initial falling mass.

[–]Horrux 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Those buildings crumbled to dust. A weakness at a particular hot spot might have BROKEN the building but not pancake down 150 floors as if the beams suddenly stopped existing.

Nice attempt. Try again?

[–]package 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Legit you people have an understanding of physics on par with a kindergartener or maybe even a preschooler.

  1. A skyscraper depends entirely on a network of precisely designed and placed beams and supports to channel and distribute the load of each additional floor. While obviously there is redundancy in the way these structures are designed, damage to these load bearing components, especially asymmetric damage or damage to multiple adjacent floors, greatly compromises the structure's ability to support its own weight. Combine this with a fire and its only a matter of time before catastrophic failure.

  2. Lets ignore the specifics of the WTC for a moment and just imagine that parts of an upper floor break loose in a tall building. By the time those parts hit the floor below, they'll be imparting a much greater force on the structure than they were when they were stationary. If that force is enough to break the floor below, you'll now have 2 floors worth of debris coming down on the next floor below which will now definitely fail under the increased weight. Repeat this process x50 and it ends up being a whole lot like what happened on 9/11.

  3. Are you expecting that a skyscraper would fall over like a tree rather than collapse? Think for a minute about what such a motion would require. At a bare minimum, the structure at the pivot point would need to be able to support the entire weight of all the upper floors rather than the 1/4-1/2 that it was previously holding, even as the tilt would start pushing the pivot point outward. Then you'd also need the upper floors themselves to remain completely rigid as they begin rotating around the pivot, even though they were not in any way designed to handle those kinds of loads.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
http://www.ae911truth.org

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.ae911truth.org

Already proven to be demolition.

[–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The fire was hot enough for the combined effect of the weakening of the steel from the heat and the bending from thermal expansion of the steel. (Steel loses about half its strength when it's 600 or 700 °C, and since the fire was hottest on the side of the building that the plane it, there were strong bending moments due to unequal thermal expansion).

This led to a buckling failure of the steel, and so to collapse of the buildings.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Propaganda bullshit.

[–]Zapped 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Some people don't understand the massive size of the WTC towers. They took up, not just city blocks, but New York City blocks.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I was in them several times, even on the roof (I have photos). I art directed a Nickelodeon commercial right across the street from them. I lived there for years and knew the area well enough. They were HUGE buildings, but those weren't normal Manhattan city blocks, like north of Houston. The southern island tip is a mess of streets.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Except neither building collapsed from the impact of the planes.

I'm also curious how you explain building 7. Why did the owner say to 'pull it'.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

burning jet fuel

Why don't kerosene (almost the same as jet fuel) camp stove and lanterns melt? Because it will never ever get hot enough.

[–]Popper 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

and also why doesn't the plane itself melt up as soon as the engine is switched on lol.

[–]package 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Metals are just a tiny bit more complicated than melted vs not melted, believe it or not. Heat can drastically reduce the rigidity of a metal long before it melts. Also did you know that airplanes aren't made of steel I-beams and -- now this is going to be a real shocker but bear with me -- jet fuel isn't ignited in the body of the plane.

[–]Popper 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

yeah planes are made of even lighter and weaker metal

[–]Horrux 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're pretty complicated in your denial yourself. Are you melted yet?

[–]ShalomEveryone 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

LOL HAHAHAHA

Shalom

✡️️

[–]Horrux 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

ThEy DiDn'T hAvE tHe SaMe LaWs Of PhYsIcS bAcK bEfOrE wE kNeW bEtTeR

[–]Jesus 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (37 children)

Mossad

[–]Rob3122 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

They are experts in explosives and demolitions

[–]Entropick 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I was going to comment 'Judaism' but that's probably more concise.

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    [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

    Mossad did 9/11.

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      [–]Jesus 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

      Evidence proves Mossad and elements within US did 9/11. Not muslims. I'll block you new user.

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        [–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

        I think everyone here agrees with him about 9/11

        [–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Everyone with a modicum of wherewithal.

        [–]Zapped 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

        No.

        [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

        Bin laden did 7/11?

        [–]Zapped 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        I am not sure if Bin Laden knocked off any convenience stores.

        [–]d3rr[A] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        strike 1

        [–]Popper 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        you took an L here

        [–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

        Mossad was part of it - but ruling class Zionists were telling Mossad, CIA, FBI, MSM, etc. what to do.

        [–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

        The Jezzies control Israeli and Palestinian Intelligence "at the same time":

        https://saidit.net/s/Jesuits/comments/8i3s/compilation_of_arguments_about_the_jesuit_control/

        They literally own the lands of Israel.

        [–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

        You literally have an obvious vendetta for Jesuits for alleged wrongs against you, and you clearly have blind spot to the reality of the system. You discredit yourself, your work, and conspiracy analysts in general by dying on this incorrect hill when all you have to do is acknowledge that the Jesuits are just another faction, among many, of the ruling class globalists, currently lead and dominated by many Zionist factions. Denying it, deflecting it, and defending Zionism makes you look uninformed and weak and like a shill. You'd be better off just calling them "the cabal", "ruling class", or "globalists" and leave it to others to learn the specifics.

        [–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

        You hurt my feelings. I may have a Vendetta but the Jesuits aren't the type of group to be underestimated at all. How much do you want to bet that "Frenzy Holocaust" comes true?

        [–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

        Feelings hurt how?

        None of the factions are to be underestimated. The ENTIRE ruling class and all "authorities" with their mafia governments are ORGANIZED CRIME. This ruling class includes all religious leaders, government leaders, NGOs, billionaires, secret societies, corporations, etc. You could say some of the top level factions are the Jesuits, Vatican, Wahhabism, Satanists, Luciferians, Freemasons, Illuminati, and other nebulous woo like that, but I'd rather state the obvious fact that the globalists have actual private institutions in place that you can actually target better than religions (plus Zionists support the ONLY officially sanctioned apartheid state of Israel). The Bank Of International Settlements seems to be on the top, closely followed by the WEC, World Bank, IMF, WTO, Atlantic Council, Trilateral Commission, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

        Stack up the crimes against humanity over the last century by the Jesuits, and while substantial, it will pale by comparison to the crimes against humanity by the Zionists - or if you prefer, "globalists", which apparently is now an anti-Semitic term.

        https://duckduckgo.com/?q=CIA+As+Organized+Crime - must read book.

        [–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

        The Jesuits have been at it for 500 years. They are responsible for nearly all the crimes commited by the Intelligence groups. They don't do things at random, despite their insanity. And have defined goals. They are the same Christian Communist lunatics now that they were back in the Jesuit Communist Empire and have been behind nearly every single major conflict in the last century.

        [–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        The Jesuits have been at it for 500 years.

        Yes. That's ancient history. Time to update your world view.

        They are responsible for nearly all the crimes committed by the Intelligence groups.

        The same could be said about Zionists or other ruling class factions - with much more evidence.

        They don't do things at random, despite their insanity. And have defined goals.

        This applies to all absolutely corrupt power.

        They are the same Christian Communist lunatics now that they were back in the Jesuit Communist Empire and...

        By "They" I assume you mean the same faction(s) because individuals come and go.

        If this "Jesuit Communist Empire" was a thing, don't you think I would have heard about it before now - especially on this conspiracy, free-thinking, truth-seeking forum? Did I miss a major rabbit hole here /u/Jesus? (I finally pulled the trigger and created /s/Zionism.)

        ...and have been behind nearly every single major conflict in the last century.

        The same is often said for the Zionists.

        Why do all the politicians bend over backwards to support apartheid Israel and defend Zionism? Why don't they mention Jesuits remotely as often or try to convince us they must be respected? Why are there no bullshit anti-Jesuit laws?

        Again, you're dying on this Jesuit hill that you're artificially inflating by cherry picking info to ignore the obvious Zionist dominance.

        Why not just call them "The Cabal", "The Ruling Class", or "The Globalists" in order to save yourself the embarrassment of always going on about the Jesuits?

        Ultimately you and I don't matter to them or whatever they call themselves - but you and I and others matter to each other, and you're tarnishing yourself with this vendetta.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Jesuits were never communist. The continully wrote enncyclocals advocating against communism. Read Denis Fahey. Marranos, who infiltrated the Jesuit order, ie., Jews, did spread communism, like Castro, who had his own rabbi and is a self-admitted marrano.

        [–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        Muh boi, the Jesuits are the downright most anti-Semitic group in the world and literally own the lands of Israel. I've given you all the evidence for it and you haven't given me a single decent counter-argument except inflating the delusional invincibility of Zionists.

        The main ideologies behind the NWO are Social Darwinism, anti-Nationalism, Capitalism and Globalism. All of these are kind of mixed up under the capitalist movement.

        The other most important one is radical supernaturalism. The fact that people do nothing but over-inflate the relevance of Zionism while ignoring all these is proof of how effective the Jesuits are.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I have the charter documents of Israel llc right here. It is a Jewish ethnostate owned by Jewish banking houses and Zionist Jews. I've conintually given you evidence of who owns Israel, such as Arthur Ruppin's building Israel.

        [–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        Muh boi, the Jesuits are the downright most anti-Semitic group in the world and literally own the lands of Israel. I've given you all the evidence for it...

        I'm skeptical.

        ...and you haven't given me a single decent counter-argument except inflating the delusional invincibility of Zionists.

        I never said they were invincible.

        You don't like my evidence.

        I state that there's more for Zionism. You don't like that.

        We're at an impasse.

        The main ideologies behind the NWO are Social Darwinism, anti-Nationalism, Capitalism and Globalism. All of these are kind of mixed up under the capitalist movement.

        And Communism?

        The other most important one is radical supernaturalism. The fact that people do nothing but over-inflate the relevance of Zionism while ignoring all these is proof of how effective the Jesuits are.

        You have your own dogma going there. Your myopic proofs aren't what you think they are, and your skills of persuasion are shit, or I would be supporting you.

        If you really wanted to convince people you'd do a better job and lay it our clearly and persuasively. I've given you every opportunity, MANY times. As it stands, on this Jesuit front, you're a disruptive force distracting from the ultimate threat: /s/Zionism.

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        You're stuck in the 1940's and 50's bro. You're like the white reactionary Russians who fought many times with the Zionists against the Judeo-bolsheviks. Hence, your reddit name hibikiSS. Jesuits don't control anything, not the lands of Israel especially.

        [–]hfxB0oyA 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

        I'm guessing this building didn't have an airplane full of fuel rammed into the middle of it with the force of the top half of the building bearing down on a bunch of broken columns.

        Look, I still think a lot about 9/11 was fishy but this is apples and oranges.

        [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Mossad did 9/11. Exposives were used. UA93 and UA175 were flying after their alleged crashes confirmed by ARCIS.

        [–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Look, I still think a lot about 9/11 was fishy but this is apples and oranges.

        They're both fruit - ie. steel buildings on fire. There are MANY more.

        https://www.quora.com/How-many-steel-buildings-have-collapsed-from-fire-besides-WTC

        [–]carn0ld03 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

        So... Spain's been receiving a lot of magnesium shipments with diesel fuel?

        [–]socks 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        I would agree that there was a conspiracy by some who had appropriate warnings of 9/11 and chose not to respond to the forthcoming 9/11 attack (in order to make millions on investments), though there is no general agreement on what kind of conspiracy this was. I think one should follow the money. That said, don't be convinced by weak arguments, as they will delegitimize conspiracy claims. One of those weak arguments is to compare ANY tall steel structure with the WTC. Unlike the Windsor Tower, each WTC building was essentially a tube of massive steel beams around the outside, with relatively light-weight flooring between them. One should think about what was required for those outer beams to bend and break, which is another discussion. But the collapse of the inner floors in the 9/11 circumstances is fairly unacademic and easy to understand when one knows that they were not significant structural parts of the building. Look also at the Windsor Tower and its beams, which form traditional boxes of the same metal density throughout the structure. Hence the contents of those boxes could burn to a crisp while the boxes remained.

        [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

        Nope, anyone can read my many posts on 9/11. Look up Richard Gage and watch his 4hr presentations on the demolitio nevent. it was a demolition.

        [–]socks 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        it was a demolition.

        I didn't disagree with that, especially when I said:

        One should think about what was required for those outer beams to bend and break, which is another discussion.

        Perhaps to put this in simpler terms: WTC outer beams had the potential to remain standing, whereas the floors could not burn and withstand collapsing weight from above. Windsor Tower beams were evenly distributed throughout, so that it's inner structure sould burn through and collapse to the base of the structure, somewhat like the WTC flooring, while the outer beams should have remained for much of the time. A decent 9/11 conspiracy should consider structural engineering rather than point at any other tall building as an example.

        [–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        Armchair architect nay-sayer.

        [–]Popper 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        I just realized his name is socks because he's a sock puppet

        [–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        Yep.

        When I was a young teenager I used to fuck socks. Parent's aren't that stupid, but at the time I didn't think my Mom would know why they were so crusty.

        [–]Popper 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        that never made sense to me. Socks are a little too rough to me, unless you use lubricant or something? Which would be weird.

        [–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I was young, dumb, and full of cum - and horny and stupid as fuck.

        [–]AmericanMuskrat 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Might be a thing more for uncircumcised dudes since their jimmy is already covered.