Radical conspiracism as a tool of the ruling groups. History as the foundation of ethics.

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[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (68 children)

My point and warning is, that the CIA are philosophically, an anti-Semitic group and as long as you guys don't realize that, they are prone to manipulate you.

Ridiculous.

CIA totally cooperates with Israel, Mossad, MI5, MI6, RCMP, etc etc etc.

CIA wants only two things: more power and plausible deniability. They'll do whatever it takes to get those. That's it full stop.

So let's pretend your premise is true. CIA is actually anti-Semitic, whatever you may think that completely weaponized bullshit term means.

1) Why would the CIA choose to alienate so many of the most powerful Zionist/Jewish dominated groups in the world? (Hollywood, NYC, Washington, Israel, Mossad, banksters, industrialists, corporations, NGOs of all sorts, etc.)

2) How are we being manipulated? How is this any different than Zionist/globalist/corporatocracy/technocracy manipulation?

3) To what end? Why? What's the CIA's goal? How does it benefit the CIA to be anti-Semitic?

4) What should be done about it? What should they do instead? What do we do about it?

I hope you can see how ridiculous your premise is.

With enough of a case you can argue and maybe even convince anyone of anything. But to come close to properly debunking anything requires not only deep knowledge on the topic but also deep knowledge on the counter arguments.

If a couple guys on SaidIt saying the Earth is flat or Jesuits run things I can peek in on their ideas now and then but I'm never going to go deep into those rabbit holes. I don't have the time anymore. If a bunch of folks said it then I would investigate deeper.

I will not argue nor be persuaded by details. I want the greater understanding that makes logical sense. If you can't present rational reasons for them to be as you say then it doesn't make sense and your claims hold no water.

I'll never say anything is 100% this or that, because I can never know for certain. But this is just too ridiculous.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (67 children)

The Rothschilds were sold out to us as the biggest Ultra-Zionist group out there, but I already showed you how they are a bunch of traitors. They even allowed the Vatican to get the lands of Israel, the Jesuits the most anti-Semitic group on earth. I don't respect the Greater Israel narratives at all they are the same old stories that they pushed in Europe.

All the Jews that you keep seeing in positions of power? Well they got thousands of Jews in power during the Bolshevik revolution and the whole movement was in great part the black pope play to frame the Jews. Why are the Jews discriminated against and researched in the CIA when some ethnic Jews have taken positions of power in the past? Because It's another shitty Hegelian Dialectic they set up.

The end goal of the CIA and the NWO is the Third Age of Joachim. Overall, the NWO is the Capitalist movement of the Jesuits ment to depopulate a large portion of the world’s population in order to bring The Third Age of Joachim they are obsessed with. I think they want to bring the Ultimate MMORPG, but the endgoal by itself isn’t really that important, the point is that they want to merge people’s minds with machines in order to get rid of our flesh somehow:

The First International Mandatory Vaccination Policy Was Created by the Vatican.

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is a Jesuit Missionary Congregation.

Bill Gates Reveals Family Goes to Catholic Church.

Bill Gates: "People act like they have a choice.You don't have a choice. Normalcy only returns when we've largely vaccinated the entire global population.”

Knights of Malta membership list including David Rockefeller, Amschel Mayer von Rothschild, Allen Dulles and more.

David Rockefeller on population control and depopulation.

The Rockefeller Foundation created the WHO & funds U.S. Public Health.

How Rockefeller wiped out natural cures to create the big pharma cartel.

John D. Rockefeller’s 1882 Organization of the Standard Oil Trust the First in the Commercial History of the World Was Modeled After the Jesuit Order from First-Hand Contact with Mexican Jesuits.

Connection Between the Rockefeller Foundation, Johns Hopkins, and Gates Foundations.

"Dr. Anthony Fauci, point man on coronavirus, is a {Jesuit}Holy Cross alum", Boston-Globe, March 17th 2020.

Kary Mullis PCR inventor talking about Anthony Fauci.

The CDC’s swine Flu Fraude of 1976.

Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion, agrees to criminal plea. (Reuters 2009)

Big Pharma fined around $14 Billion in 5 years.

Catholics interested on research about AI and the soul.

Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin conceived the idea of the Omega Point. The part in human evolution in which all become one with the help of science. Pierre was a social darwinist and greatly influenced the globalist movement.

The Jesuits see themselves as the bringers of The Third Age of Joachim, The Age of The Soul.

The Jesuits planned the outcome of the conspiracist movement back when their control over the intelligence groups wasn't really that great. As long as you don't accept the fact that the big figures behind the NWO are a group of anti-Semites, the CIA will continue to toy with you guys.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (66 children)

Dude, Jesuits, Zionists, they are the same. It doesn't matter if you think the Vatican is trying to grow, or if Israel is trying to grow. Obviously these are occultic fucks who don't care about religion, culture, or humans. That is all we need to know. They lie about their personal beliefs. You think these groups are anti-each other. They are not. They work hand-in-hand to manipulate those who follow them. SIMPLE.

Jews are involved, Jesuits are involved, Chinese communists are involved, American Christian Zionists are involved. Who gives a fuck if the Vatican is running the show or Israel? It's a charade, a ploy. These are their power-centers, if you got rid of one, they would pop up somewhere else.

It is a Hydra. Why waste any time delving into the dirty fangs and scales of one head? Look for the body, and then you'll understand u/JasonCarswell a bit better, I think.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (65 children)

They aren't the same. Jesuits are a certain philosophical group with certain goals and the Jews have completely different objectives. If you don't realize this, you will be manipulated.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

You believe their lies. You and I only know their symbols and actions edit: Not their personal beliefs. They use the same symbols, and their actions are inextricably tied together. I will not believe one of them to explain to me their views.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There you go. You are falling for the extreme conspiracism that I mentioned, thinking that you can't judge history regardless of your effort. And you guys think the CIA goons don't have influence on you...

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Extreme conspiracism is flat-earth, or the Queen is a lizard-person. Or, perhaps, what you are doing, and others on this site. In your world, there are all these powerful cults/cabals/clubs who go up against each other. In the real world, there is the cult that swallows all cults, and then authoritarians who know about the cult and utilizes its tricks to get an upper hand. Ultimately, they are the enemy.

But in your world, only the club or cult you choose to focus on is the enemy. You leave out all the allies of the jesuits, and pretend that they are somehow not the same. If their philosophies are different, I'd want to hear them debate it. Oh, no, I'll only ever find them talking about it in some controlled way. I won't believe chronic liars to be honest about their own beliefs.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I'm tired of conspiracy theorists like HibikiBlack and EliFromTheBook, among others, who think they have the secret insights and knowledge that we don't - and refuse to share or explain it, much less present it rationally. I know a crazy lady near me who thinks she's the secret Queen of Canada, among other woo stuff (NOT joking). Her heart is good and she delivers /s/Druthers papers, but I wonder if she makes a bad impression for our community.

I won't miss pointless debate when I'm making videos.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

but I wonder if she makes a bad impression for our community.

And, I'm descended from Jesus, Guardian of the Holy Grail. Did I never tell you? /s

Yeah, she's probably turning some people away from dissident/conspiracy information.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, she's probably turning some people away from dissident/conspiracy information.

She also claims to have rare inside knowledge above other skeptics (so tired of that shtick). She really likes to talk, but only with people she trusts, allegedly. I haven't seen her interact with others, so I don't know how much of her confidential crazy talk gets out. She delivers papers in Windsor, so that's good. Her friends must know her well enough. And she's old and feeble so her mobility is limited. She's a Luddite so she's "contained". Apparently she was abducted when younger. I think that was true, but the real question is whether it was by villains or doctors or villainous doctors. She may have been MK Ultraed for all we know.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You haven't explained anything.

Explain clearly and win us over. We're really willing to be convinced, if you can. But you haven't even tried.

Stop with the insults and links and lay out their grand plan clearly in a logical convincing manner. (Save the links and details for if/when we actually ask for them.) Until you do this you are wasting all of our time and energy.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (57 children)

EXPLAIN the differences and WHY they matter.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (56 children)

Jews are a very materialist and pro-nationalist group, the Jesuits are radical supernaturalists that see the material world as a corruption that shouldn't exist. Since the Jews are such a unified and naturalist group, the Jesuits hate them.

A lot of the Jews that always get sold out to us as Ultra-Zionist lunatics are actually traitors towards their own people like the Rothschilds or the Bolsheviks for example, the Jesuits have their own different set of objectives working with the different Catholic groups in the Vatican and the CIA.

So by following most Ultra-Zionist world domination conspiracy theories, most conspiracists aren't opposing the government in any meaningful way, they even help it spread disinfo.

I can't make it anymore clear than that.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

"So by following most Ultra-Zionist world domination conspiracy theories, most conspiracists aren't opposing the government in any meaningful way, they even help it spread disinfo."

If we all believed it was the Vatican and not Israel, would we all of a sudden have a fire lit under our asses? Most "conspiracy theorists" are religious nutjobs or armchair researchers. Then, there are geeks and dissidents, these people do something with their knowledge that is anti-gov. Then, there are the legitimate researchers and whistleblowers and the like. Are you just talking about armchair researchers and religious nutjobs?

Personally, I know for a fact that "Jewish" and lots of other "Hebrew" people are a bane on the human race. Their track record is clear to see if one wants to look at the past two thousand years. You said the Vatican destroyed your town. It seems personal to you. If I was like you, I'd only blame the Jews for the cult.

Grow up. The cult is everywhere. It's the same beast these days. Maybe you could argue this case a few hundred or so years ago, but not today. Power is consolidated.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Muh boi, I just can't follow the idea that a lot of people continue to defend the Greater Israel narratives after finding out the Rothschilds are a group of Jewish traitors in service to the Vatican, and that the Vatican itself owns the lands of Israel, with the Jesuits being the most anti-Semitic and anti-Nationalist group in the world.

Sure I admit my hatred towards the Vatican but what do you want me to say? Every single relevant figure involved in the Corona crisis is related to the Jesuits. The NWO as a capitalist movement? Fabricated by the Jesuits in order to reach the Omega Point.

I'm pretty sure they even control all the intelligence agencies. They are not the type of group to be underestimated at all... People need to do their research...

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They are related to each other. It's the same to most people who look into it.

Israel is a power-center of the cult. The vatican is as well. It's that simple. The cult uses these legal identities to hide. That simple.

The cult has their own name for themselves. A dozen of play-names.

You are just convinced it's JUST Jesuits. Reminds me of the people you say blame only Jews. Some people do that.

I look beyond that. However, the Jewish face of the cult destroyed my family and scattered us to the winds, how can I forget that? I won't blame them for the worlds problems though, they share the blame with the rest of the cult, which is hiding in all sorts of places, like the Vatican.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Truth. (As I see it.)

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I don't know man, I wouldn't bother about the differences that much if people were more objective about judging the groups, but overall people are hardly objective at all when it comes to the things I mentioned.

Since the Roths for example are a group in service to the Vatican, you can't properly think about them as "Zionist Jews" the way a lot of people tend to associate them. They work for the most anti-Semitic group in the world, they are anything but a traditionalist Zionist... but people can't think about the Rothschilds as Vatican goons.

And well, there's a bunch of things about Israel itself that can be criticized about, I don't actually tell people not to do that, I mock the "Jewish World Domination" theories because they don't actually exist and are literally Catholic/CIA propaganda.

I've yet to see a single conspiracist judging both sides objectively the way I described, that's why I tell my followers to go full anti-Zionist if they want, even full pro-Palestinian retard if that's what makes them happy. But reject the Jewish World Domination theories. I don't see what's the point in pushing the antagonism against the Jews any further than that. Usually when most people see groups of Jews doing bad things, they lose their reasoning for the most part and stop trying to think if It's actual Zionist Jews doing the thing or if It's another Jesuit thing being done as a decoy.

I don't know man that's just my observations. I've been doing this shit for years.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Rothschilds are as Rabbinical as they come. They are the definition of Jews and give billions to Jewish causes that Jews willingly accept.

Sure I admit my hatred towards the Vatican but what do you want me to say? Every single relevant figure involved in the Corona crisis is related to the Jesuits. The NWO as a capitalist movement? Fabricated by the Jesuits in order to reach the Omega Point.

I'm pretty sure they even control all the intelligence agencies. They are not the type of group to be underestimated at all... People need to do their research...

The Vatican was taken over by Rabbinites ie., Jews. Bergoglio IS A JEW. All the major vaccine creators for teh corona virus are Jews. But the corona crisis is a corproate agenda.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Wrong, Jews CAN be markedly tribal but the less Jew they are the less supremacist and more universal they become. Universalist Jews are closer to Christ than blood inclined racial tribal Jews. Most Jews today are ethnonationalists even the self-proclaimed progressives.

Jesuits are supernaturalists and believe that only thru Christ can we be saved. They dicate a worl where Christian principals dominate which of course did not happen and is not being followed because Jesuits are not in control and today's 'Jesuits' are marranos.

that see the material world as a corruption that shouldn't exist.

Wrong, that's gnostic 'Christians.' jesuits see a role for the physical body but only to do the will of Christ. God creatded this world but he does not rule it.

A lot of the Jews that always get sold out to us as Ultra-Zionist lunatics are actually traitors towards their own people like the Rothschilds or the Bolsheviks for example, the Jesuits have their own different set of objectives working with the different Catholic groups in the Vatican and the CIA.

Peres, Netanyahu, Torah rabbis that think non-Jews are subhuman animals?

So by following most Ultra-Zionist world domination conspiracy theories, most conspiracists aren't opposing the government in any meaningful way, they even help it spread disinfo.

I don't want to oppose the government if it protects us from another revolution that you advocate for.

Without the intervention of God, via the Holy Ghost, cultures/races/nations are predisposed to the immoral inclinations of their genetics and/or ingrained cultural beliefs.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (39 children)

Thanks for starting to explain.

Jews are a very materialist and pro-nationalist group,

This is a broad stereotype that may apply to many, but certainly doesn't cover all of them. Putting that aside, this opinion is irrelevant.

the Jesuits are radical supernaturalists that see the material world as a corruption that shouldn't exist.

All religious groups are into woo and sin. Again, irrelevant.

Since the Jews are such a unified and naturalist group, the Jesuits hate them.

Now we're getting somewhere, but it's still unclear.

I understand unified - and Zionists, as well as all media/governments, are pretty good at dividing people.

What do you mean by naturalist? As extreme examples, Sabbateans think perversions are natural, authoritarians think a police state is natural, and "eco-terrorists" think saving nature is natural. You also said "supernaturalists" which I assumed meant believing in God, myth, and woo. I suppose non-super naturalism is a synonym for materialism.

A lot of the Jews that always get sold out to us as Ultra-Zionist lunatics are actually traitors towards their own people like the Rothschilds or the Bolsheviks for example,

All of the ruling class are traitors to their own peoples. Most anti-Zionists will tell you that they are not good Christians or Jews or whatever and they use the masses of their kind as human shields. This is not new.

the Jesuits have their own different set of objectives working with the different Catholic groups in the Vatican and the CIA.

I've already assumed that. What are these different objectives? How are they different? Why does it make any difference to us?

Most folks who shit on Zionist warmongers also shit on the Vatican pedos - among both of their many other crimes.

It seems you're arguing that one group is over the other group and it matters. Most folks here think Zionists are slightly higher but really it doesn't matter. It still seems moot.

I still don't see any clear distinction worth all this fuss.

So by following most Ultra-Zionist world domination conspiracy theories, most conspiracists aren't opposing the government in any meaningful way, they even help it spread disinfo.

Zionists/Globalists are more powerful than governments and their puppets. It doesn't matter if your resisting locally, regionally, nationally, or globally as long as you're punching up. Resisting against your local justice system won't solve your national government corruption or globalist eugenics agendas but it must be done all the same at all levels.

"Meaningful way" is subjective. Everyone has their own activism, meaning, purpose, and fulfillment. Some prefer to be anonymous, some not. Some talk and some act. Some throw bombs and some do peaceful rallies. Some are into woo and some just analyze power. Some do politics and some conspiracy. Some try to be autodidacts in all realms.

Give me 3 examples, no more, no less, of how it went wrong and how it would have been better (more meaningful) opposing government if we were to recognize that Jesuits are over Zionists.

Like it or not, disinfo is part of the game and is the hand we're dealt. All we can do is our best to counter it with better info, and hopefully keep the fires of rebellion alive while developing new concepts and tools to share the resistance.

I still don't see any clear distinction worth all this fuss.

So you want to resist in meaningful ways and avoid spreading disinfo.

Regardless of the Jesuit/Zionist debate, we see problems and propaganda all around. There's no end to them. We need alternatives and solutions. What do you propose? What are you willing to do? Talk is one thing, and sharing information is important - but taking action can be more important (depending on the scenario).

I can't make it anymore clear than that.

It's a start. You can clarify, if you want to authentically respond to this. If you beat about the issues or don't answer directly folks will see it, especially if I call it out.

(Feel free to copypasta or respond to this comment in a new post if you like.)

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (38 children)

I'm sorry Jason, this isn't something I respect at all. You are ignoring the history and philosophy of both groups in order to fit your narrative. Extreme conspiracism at its finest.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

HibbSS, we get it, you're a nazi for the eradication of the Church and Jesuitism. It's fine, they have already been destroyed by Talmudics, Freemasons and Jews.

The trend of the 21st century is teh Jewish century. That is, Zionist Jews getting away with crimes of mass proportions.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

I thought we were getting somewhere. I guess you fooled me. You CIA?

I don't respect your non-answer. Giving up like this without adequate explanation is classic shill behaviour bullshit.

If you can't explain why all this actually matters then you're 1) full of shit, 2) a shitty communicator, 3) a shitty representative of anti-Jesuits, 4) a tribalist, 5) a believer of woo, 6) a timesuck, and/or 7) here to infiltrate, distract, divide, and disrupt SaidIt. Perhaps all, perhaps none, perhaps variations, or perhaps something I haven't considered.

You CAN do better. But will you?

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

LMAO at this. Can you explain to me how is the Greater Israel theory plausible after finding out that the Roths are a group of Jewish traitors in service to the Vatican and that the Vatican owns the lands of Israel? With the Jesuits being the downright most anti-Semitic group on earth? I would like to see you try Jason. I already gave you all the links.

For whatever It's worth, I think I tried my best to explain things and the last thing I want is ill will among us Saiditors...