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[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

Like it or not, the conspiracy movement by itself is mostly a satanic thing related to the government, so different, more sophisticated groups need to be created in order to resist the influence of the bad intelligence groups.

What do you have in mind?

How would you rebrand skepticism/conspiracism?

I have a few ideas.

I don't see conspirophiles, conspiritualists, or even conspiretards as being Satanic in any way.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

I'm not saying that being a conspiracist by itself is bad. But the movement has a lot of bad aspects to it and it was actually planned years ago by the Jezzies. Read H.G Wells and his book "Open Conspiracy where he talks about this stuff. The main weaknesses that it has:

Conservatives that are conspiracists tend to overly support capitalism, ignorong the NWO is mostly capitalist.

Conspiracists have a tendency to support only the theories that support their ideas, regardless of historial accuracy.

Extreme conspiracism keeps you passive and without taking action.

Overall, most conspiracist don't like intellectual work and end up supporting theories for the fun of it instead of finding the truth.

The entire conspirational patriot movement is a disinfo tool of the government. Sure, they can't completely control it and the information that a lot of us share does affect the government and companies in a bad fashion, but as long as most of us don't embrace revolution we aren't that much of a thread. H.G Wells was related to the Jesuit Teilhard, pretty much every relevant figure in the globalist movement was related to him.

I take measures to avoid this. My black pill is that we have to set up a revolution before the Jesuits complete the perfect communism. And while I do embrace the conspiracist tag, I consider myself more of a historian than a conspiracist. I'm known as the conspiracist who has collected over a thousand records of factual conspiracies.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

actually planned years ago by the Jezzies.

Proof?

Conservatives that are conspiracists tend to overly support capitalism, ignorong the NWO is mostly capitalist.

True. And liberals support socialism or worse. All nations are a balance (or unbalance) of the two. Militaries are paid by "socialist" taxes. Ultimately the problem is always authoritarianism.

Conspiracists have a tendency to support only the theories that support their ideas, regardless of historial accuracy.

The problem is that most people cannot hold more than one idea at a time, much less understand and respect other ideas whether they agree with them or not. Historical accuracy requires understanding all viewpoints, from 30,000 feet to minute detail, from before, during, and after with hindsight and reflection, and from the rich to the poor and of course left and right, and everything else.

Extreme conspiracism keeps you passive and without taking action.

I don't buy this definitive statement.

Overall, most conspiracist don't like intellectual work and end up supporting theories for the fun of it instead of finding the truth.

I don't know if it's "most conspiracists" or just "most average conspiracists".

The entire conspirational patriot movement is a disinfo tool of the government. Sure, they can't completely control it and the information that a lot of us share does affect the government and companies in a bad fashion, but as long as most of us don't embrace revolution we aren't that much of a thread.

The problem with any national or "patriot movement" is its inherent worship of authority.

Revolutions don't bother the ruling class much because they can always be subverted. Thus, they revolve and end up where they were - still loving authority and believing in "legitimacy".

H.G Wells was related to the Jesuit Teilhard, pretty much every relevant figure in the globalist movement was related to him.

Bummer, though guilt by association or relation has limits. My family is nothing like me in all the ways that matter.

I take measures to avoid this. My black pill is that we have to set up a revolution before the Jesuits complete the perfect communism. And while I do embrace the conspiracist tag, I consider myself more of a historian than a conspiracist.

Jesuits, Zionists, Illumanati, NWO, BIS, or whatever you want to call them - I agree. We need our own decentralized, flexible, resilient, sustainable, alt-systems to counter and resist tyranny. I consider myself a conspiracy analyst, truth-seeker, free-thinker, voluntaryist, cooperativist, and anti-authoritarian.

I'm known as the conspiracist who has collected over a thousand records of factual conspiracies.

When it comes to conspiracies about power and its abuses, most of the time there's at least one foot firmly planted in truth. The woo stuff is distraction.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

I don't like the idea that the puzzle can't be solved. It sets up a very bad example for other people. You guys think that many of the narratives have no consequence but they aren't really neutral. Take the Rothschilds as the leading group of the NWO for example:

3 out of the 4 biggest banks in the world were controlled by apprentices of the Jesuits back in 2019.

President Macron and the current governor of the Central Bank of France are apprentices of the Jesuits.

The chairman of the Central Bank of Peru is a Jesuit apprentice.

The Central Bank of Kenya is governed by the Roman Catholic Opus Dei member Patrick Ngugi Njoroge.

The Jesuits had such control over education and were known as such a nasty group that they were feared by the richest European oligarchs:

“The Jesuits … they have the College of Nobles where almost all the eons of the Roman Nobility are educated in the principles of Jesuitism; … In the subterranean Church of the Gesu is a ‘Congregation of Nobles,’ in which are assembled all the Roman Nobility; the Jesuits are their Directors, Confessors, and Preachers, and by this means they have become masters of the Aristocracy.”

  • Luigi de Sanctis (1808–1869; Italian Ex-Catholic Priest of the Madellena at Rome.)

"Wealth of Roman Catholic Church impossible to calculate." (National Post 2013)

There's also the constant Catholic and Jesuit effort to push for anti-Semitic propaganda:

Despite the claims that Loyola himself was Jewish and or had Jewish ancestry, a lot of scholars would say that he was a Basque from an old noble family of Spain. Why would the Vatican and the Jesuits themselves lie about Loyola's ethnicity or ancestry?

It is commonly accepted that Jews weren't allowed to be part of the order during the time period in which the Jesuits were involved in many crimes and were expelled from many countries. One of these included the Jesuit Communist Empire in Latin America. How is it that the Jewish infiltrators were responsible for it, when the entire order was involved in the communist regime and according to these same people, the infiltration of the order wasn't completed until after WWII? when it comes to asking why we should trust one source over the other, it makes it look like we should simply believe that the Jesuits themselves are telling us the truth.

"Jewish" Sabbatean-Frankist movement actually controlled by the Jesuits. A lot of influential Jews are accused of being Frankists and that they infiltrated the Church and the Jesuits, but the whole movement was actually run by the Jesuits themselves and It's crypto-Catholic, an example of the Jesuits infiltrating Jewish groups and corrupting them from within.

Leo H. Lehmann mentioned that the Jesuits were behind the creation of the Protocols of the elders of Zion.

Despite the claims that the Rothschilds control the Vatican because of the loans it had with it, the Vatican actually did manage to pay of those loans.

Despite the protests of other Jewish leaders asking for the help of the Rothschilds in order to improve the conditions of the Jewish communities under the Vatican, the Rothschilds actually allowed the Vatican to use their own money to spread the anti-Semitic myths, causing the Rothschilds to be mocked by other Jewish groups as traitors.

According to the Jewish Encyclopedia of 1906, the Rothschilds are considered the guardians of the papal treasure.

The Jesuits used the Rothschilds to fund the Bolshevik revolution, so they are responsible for the millions of kills under the Communist regime.

Months before the Bolshevik coup, Sister Lúcia dos Santos claimed she had a vision of promise about the consecration of Russia, which would bring a period of peace. It is usually interpreted that this was a call for Russia to convert to Catholicism.

Despite the claims of the Bolshevik movement and communism itself being part of some kind of Ultra-Zionist conspiracy, the Bolshevik Jews were for the most part, an anti-Zionist group that attacked Zionist Jews that opposed the regime.

The black pope Ledochowski conspired to block the policies of Pope Pius XI seeking to condemn anti-Semitism in Europe. It should be noted that Ledochowski himself tried to push Pius XI into not only mentioning the Jews in his speech against the communist regime, but also to associate the Jews themselves with communism. So the Bolshevik revolution was a movement to blame the Jews for creating it. The original communist regime, like I mentioned, is actually The Jesuit Communist Empire.

La Civilita Cattolica described Fascism as the regime that corresponds more closely to the concepts of the church of Rome.

Former Catholic Priest (possible Jesuit) Bernhard Stempfle played a role in the writings of Mein Kampf. A lot of the propaganda of the German regime against the Jews was directly copied from La Civilita Cattolica. The SS was made out to be an imitation of the Jesuit order. Himmler was known as the "Black Jesuit."

Jesuit Pietro Tacchi Venturi played a vital role in Italian fascism and Mussolini's anti-Semitic policies.

The Vatican allowed many National Socialists to get away. A lot of them later helped with the creation of the CIA and were part of many of its operations.

Jews are actually discriminated against in the CIA. The CIA itself is actually a Catholic, Jesuit controlled organization.

The Jesuits were responsible for the creation of the anti-Semitic myths, which started with their demonization of the Jews and the Rothschilds in their magazine La Civilita Cattolica as part of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy.

A lot of people, even involved in the Jesuit theories make the mistake of thinking about the Jews and the Jesuits as being similar groups. They are not. The Jews are a very materialist and pro-nationalist group, the Jesuits on the other hand, are almost their complete opposites philosophically, they are radical supernaturalists that see the material world as a corruption that shouldn't exist because it is not part of the soul. So they hate the Jews for their materialism.

Credit to both me and /u/Veritas__Aequitas.

So despite the fact that the Roths always get sold out as the main villains of the NWO, they are actually one of the worst traitors towards their own people. Just think about how influential they were towards the whole movement towards Israel thing, but in the end they are fine with the Jesuits, downright the most anti-Semitic and anti-nationalist group in the world to actually own the lands of Israel. You guys think that the Jesuits could never pull such a sophisticated psyop on you guys, but there's a reason why they were feared even by the richest European oligarchs. Nobody mentions how Catholic groups (the actual CIA) were involved in 9/11, all people see are the Jewish groups, but that's actually the same old world domination psyop that they were running with since La Civilita Cattolica. Like 95% probably more of the Ultra-Zionist world domination theories aren't even politically neutral, they are literally Jesuit and by extension CIA propaganda.

That's the irony behind the conspiracy movement. Despite the claim that they make about being anti-CIA and anti-evil-intelligence groups, most conspiracists spend a good chunk of time spreading CIA propaganda everywhere. The Jesuits thought about and fabricated the movement even before they had that much control over the intelligence groups. There's a reason why the CIA goons admire them as the best spy group of the world dude.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

i think zionists used kind of a boiled frog strategy to get jews to move to israel. Many probably didn't really want to live in a desert surrpounded by muslims, not when they were doing well financially and were comfortable in europe. So increasing the antisemiticism helped encourage them to move to israel. This is why they had the transfer agreement with nazi germany. Hitler and Himmler were obviously jewish too. Why would they want most jews living in a centralized place, israel? It could be that the rothschilds didn't want to have to compete with other jewish bankers for supremeacy, and wanted them to be easier controlled. Besides Israel many moved to USA as well.

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It may be possible Hitler was a renegade they used, promised him peace and power at different points, forcing him into worse and worse positions he personally wasn't equipped to handle.

I do think it's weird that prior to WW2, no Israel, post WW2, Israel.

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it started with the balfour declartion, that was in 1917 but jews were slow in moving there, I think they wanted to speed that up so yeah the boiled frogs. Seems weird to say rothschilds would want to make things hard on jews but yeah they have no loyalty.

I think Hitler mioght have known invading russia was a bad idea, he had known about history or why name it operation barbarossa? Barbarossa was the holy roman emperor and he led the third crusade and it failed and he died. Barbarossa was pro jew and he was trying to free the holy land so the jews could have it back as Israel. That naming might have been Hitler showing he didn't really want to do it. But he wasn't fully in power and the zionists wanted to make Russia inhospitable to jews so they would move to Israel. That failed but years later they had Stalin make antisemitic policies so the jews of russia would move.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Seems weird to say rothschilds would want to make things hard on jews

Not all Jews are rich and/or Zionists. Jews are just another breed of sheeple to be manipulated and exploited, and the Us vs Them situation can be exploited endlessly for this special group of tribal pawns.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

boiled frog strategy

Not an appropriate use of that term.

There was nothing slow or subtle about it.

The ruling class / Zionists intentionally created a hostile environment in Europe and Russia 100 years ago so they could utilize the prophecy excuse for the "chosen people" tribes to "return" to their "promised" land that they once co-inhabited for a blip in history, while other Semitics never left.

It could be that the rothschilds didn't want to have to compete with other jewish bankers for supremeacy, and wanted them to be easier controlled.

An interesting theory that sounds like pure speculation without evidence.

Everyone already knows and understands the hierarchy of things, especially those higher up in the global mafias. Getting rid of smaller Jewish banksters who already serve you doesn't make sense.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

bad take

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

How so?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

it's an appropriate use of the term for obvious reasons

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I explained why it wasn't appropriate, and it's not obvious as I obviously asked for elaboration.