Radical conspiracism as a tool of the ruling groups. History as the foundation of ethics.

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[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (108 children)

Also, you've not outlined any actionable ideas.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (107 children)

My idea is to create sophisticated counter-intelligence sites and gather as much information on the Vatican as possible while at the same time create enough nationalists guilds like to create a revolution. (I'm cynical about my chances of success, but unlike most of my friends, I at least want to try) I don't think you can resist the government through non-violence in a meaningful way besides blocking a bill or something. The only way I see your ideas to work is let society destroy itself and rebuild it in the wild. A lot of my friends want to do this actually...

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Society is not worth saving. People are. Ideas are.

But society has gone insane. Why take part in an insane society?

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Because I want a result where nobody gets to be sad.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

What a pipe dream.

You want near-perfection. Good luck ever getting that with an insane bunch of societies ruling the Earth.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (103 children)

Sophisticated sites sound expensive and impossible. Counter-intelligence is simple: 100% transparency. Decentralize it for resilience and sustainability.

The Vatican is a worthy target but hardly the only one. The City of London, Washington DC, Langly, Israel, etc etc etc and every single government, bank, corporation, industry, and corporate media. They all need exposure.

Your myopic focus on Jesuits limits you greatly.

If you don't try then you fail by default. Before you try you may want to look for something similar that exists to work on and/or branch from, and/or other like-minded folks. Maybe draft up a manifesto, road map, or something to share your plan and attract crowd-sourced support.

I don't think you can resist the government through non-violence in a meaningful way

Building, sharing, and propagating alternatives to the establishment is not fruitless. Also, MANY illegal activities are non-violent and just because the label them as "legitimately illegal" doesn't make them wrong.

besides blocking a bill or something.

From within their limited system is still within THEIR control. Fuck them and their systems.

The only way I see your ideas to work is let society destroy itself and rebuild it in the wild.

Wrong. Don't just hand over the keys to society and technology to them. They're drunk with power, but that's our car that belongs to everyone. They can try to wreck some of it but we need to fight for what we want to keep just as much as what we want to exterminate. Nature is nice but fuck starting over in the wild. We can still embrace sustainable and classic elements but we can also utilize and develop new things.

Here in Windsor, among those of us who are "preparing" there are two groups: the ones who are trying to carve out a place to be free near North Bay (cold and bugs), and those of us who want to build a community in our county despite the endless bullshit bylaws. There are pros and cons to each and no correct answer.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (102 children)

My point and warning is, that the CIA are philosophically, an anti-Semitic group and as long as you guys don't realize that, they are prone to manipulate you.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (101 children)

My point and warning is, that the CIA are philosophically, an anti-Semitic group and as long as you guys don't realize that, they are prone to manipulate you.

Ridiculous.

CIA totally cooperates with Israel, Mossad, MI5, MI6, RCMP, etc etc etc.

CIA wants only two things: more power and plausible deniability. They'll do whatever it takes to get those. That's it full stop.

So let's pretend your premise is true. CIA is actually anti-Semitic, whatever you may think that completely weaponized bullshit term means.

1) Why would the CIA choose to alienate so many of the most powerful Zionist/Jewish dominated groups in the world? (Hollywood, NYC, Washington, Israel, Mossad, banksters, industrialists, corporations, NGOs of all sorts, etc.)

2) How are we being manipulated? How is this any different than Zionist/globalist/corporatocracy/technocracy manipulation?

3) To what end? Why? What's the CIA's goal? How does it benefit the CIA to be anti-Semitic?

4) What should be done about it? What should they do instead? What do we do about it?

I hope you can see how ridiculous your premise is.

With enough of a case you can argue and maybe even convince anyone of anything. But to come close to properly debunking anything requires not only deep knowledge on the topic but also deep knowledge on the counter arguments.

If a couple guys on SaidIt saying the Earth is flat or Jesuits run things I can peek in on their ideas now and then but I'm never going to go deep into those rabbit holes. I don't have the time anymore. If a bunch of folks said it then I would investigate deeper.

I will not argue nor be persuaded by details. I want the greater understanding that makes logical sense. If you can't present rational reasons for them to be as you say then it doesn't make sense and your claims hold no water.

I'll never say anything is 100% this or that, because I can never know for certain. But this is just too ridiculous.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

CIA is an arm of US INC., which contracts contractors who contract contractors who coontract contractors. Whoever is EO of US inc., determines the CIA's structure and directorship. JFK AND RFK would have made good with the CIA, but they were assassinated by the 2nd CIA, ie., Zionist Mossadniks, book Masons and unconventional warfare pundits.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (99 children)

The Rothschilds were sold out to us as the biggest Ultra-Zionist group out there, but I already showed you how they are a bunch of traitors. They even allowed the Vatican to get the lands of Israel, the Jesuits the most anti-Semitic group on earth. I don't respect the Greater Israel narratives at all they are the same old stories that they pushed in Europe.

All the Jews that you keep seeing in positions of power? Well they got thousands of Jews in power during the Bolshevik revolution and the whole movement was in great part the black pope play to frame the Jews. Why are the Jews discriminated against and researched in the CIA when some ethnic Jews have taken positions of power in the past? Because It's another shitty Hegelian Dialectic they set up.

The end goal of the CIA and the NWO is the Third Age of Joachim. Overall, the NWO is the Capitalist movement of the Jesuits ment to depopulate a large portion of the world’s population in order to bring The Third Age of Joachim they are obsessed with. I think they want to bring the Ultimate MMORPG, but the endgoal by itself isn’t really that important, the point is that they want to merge people’s minds with machines in order to get rid of our flesh somehow:

The First International Mandatory Vaccination Policy Was Created by the Vatican.

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is a Jesuit Missionary Congregation.

Bill Gates Reveals Family Goes to Catholic Church.

Bill Gates: "People act like they have a choice.You don't have a choice. Normalcy only returns when we've largely vaccinated the entire global population.”

Knights of Malta membership list including David Rockefeller, Amschel Mayer von Rothschild, Allen Dulles and more.

David Rockefeller on population control and depopulation.

The Rockefeller Foundation created the WHO & funds U.S. Public Health.

How Rockefeller wiped out natural cures to create the big pharma cartel.

John D. Rockefeller’s 1882 Organization of the Standard Oil Trust the First in the Commercial History of the World Was Modeled After the Jesuit Order from First-Hand Contact with Mexican Jesuits.

Connection Between the Rockefeller Foundation, Johns Hopkins, and Gates Foundations.

"Dr. Anthony Fauci, point man on coronavirus, is a {Jesuit}Holy Cross alum", Boston-Globe, March 17th 2020.

Kary Mullis PCR inventor talking about Anthony Fauci.

The CDC’s swine Flu Fraude of 1976.

Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion, agrees to criminal plea. (Reuters 2009)

Big Pharma fined around $14 Billion in 5 years.

Catholics interested on research about AI and the soul.

Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin conceived the idea of the Omega Point. The part in human evolution in which all become one with the help of science. Pierre was a social darwinist and greatly influenced the globalist movement.

The Jesuits see themselves as the bringers of The Third Age of Joachim, The Age of The Soul.

The Jesuits planned the outcome of the conspiracist movement back when their control over the intelligence groups wasn't really that great. As long as you don't accept the fact that the big figures behind the NWO are a group of anti-Semites, the CIA will continue to toy with you guys.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (97 children)

Dude, Jesuits, Zionists, they are the same. It doesn't matter if you think the Vatican is trying to grow, or if Israel is trying to grow. Obviously these are occultic fucks who don't care about religion, culture, or humans. That is all we need to know. They lie about their personal beliefs. You think these groups are anti-each other. They are not. They work hand-in-hand to manipulate those who follow them. SIMPLE.

Jews are involved, Jesuits are involved, Chinese communists are involved, American Christian Zionists are involved. Who gives a fuck if the Vatican is running the show or Israel? It's a charade, a ploy. These are their power-centers, if you got rid of one, they would pop up somewhere else.

It is a Hydra. Why waste any time delving into the dirty fangs and scales of one head? Look for the body, and then you'll understand u/JasonCarswell a bit better, I think.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

they are the same.

1,000,000% the same in all the ways that matter.

Petty tribalism and beliefs are irrelevant compared to the monstrous evil systems they orchestrate under all sorts of banners, excuses, and hypocrisies.

Even if they aren't, they are essentially the same to everyone with less than $100m, and we couldn't properly know any the important details anyway.

They cooperate/conspire together as they vie for position among themselves as the upper echelons of power do.

As far as I'm concerned, the B.I.S. is the top level - that I'm aware of.

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B.I.S.?

I agree on the details part, and pretty much everything else. I want to know their symbols and their actions, but trying to understand their philosophies is a waste of time. It's just evil, that's all it is. They are chronic liars, the lot of them. I'll only believe that they hate each other if someone got a transcript of their diary, or if they do what old leaders used to do, and have honor duels to the death. Other than that, it'd be pretty difficult to make me think otherwise. They all lie. Check. They all use occultic symbols to the nth degree. Check. They are supremacists. Check.

Maybe they are different, but to me, they are the same evil running wild. I think in the old world, the heads of the Hydra really vied for power more often, but nowadays, I think control has been consolidated.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements

The B.I.S. building is shaped like "a boot stamping on a human face, forever."

People in the B.I.S. are above all the banks, all the corporations, all the nations, and all the laws - and are freely pedos and worse.

I want to know their symbols and their actions,

Then keep studying Jesuit-critical content and subs.

but trying to understand their philosophies is a waste of time.

Agreed (mostly).

However, I'm not trying to understand the Jesuits. I'm trying to understand /u/HibikiBlack, why some like him think the Jesuits are over Zionists, AND why it matters. All this bickering thus far seems like a complete waste of time and distraction. This may be my last chance to be convinced it's worth learning about. (I'm trying to evolve beyond study towards alternatives, solutions, actions, and results.) If there's good reason I'll actually study their symbols, actions, and even some (alleged) philosophies.

It's just evil, that's all it is. They are chronic liars, the lot of them.

Yes, all ruling class and authority.

Maybe they are different, but to me, they are the same evil running wild.

Same. I don't care what their tribes are, their labels, corporations, secret agencies, NGOs I've never heard of. None of that ultimately matters at my level, and I'll never be privy to their secret secrets, nor know the names of all their exploited and victims.

I'm trying to extract the differences that matter out of him. He's failed to be clear, but that can happen when you're too deep in it. Or maybe he's just playing with us. Time will tell.

cc. /u/Jesus

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

No, wrong, Jesuits were an arm of the Catholic church who have zero control over anything anymore. You had pious Jesuits who taught Indians trades and protected them from the racism of kings and colonizers. There were Jesuits who worked in monastaries and helped the weak, sick and poor.

Today's Jesuits are all Marrano Jews. Pope Bergoglio is a Jew and a Zionist.

Jews are involved, Jesuits are involved, Chinese communists are involved, American Christian Zionists are involved.

Zionist Jews are involved, 'Jesuits' don't exist anymore except in name only, they are all Marrano Jews; Chinese Communism was started by Jews:

https://fitzinfo.net/2021/07/19/how-jews-took-over-china-an-created-chinese-communism/

and American Christian Zionists are either Freemasonic preachers or simply ignorant because of the Scofield bible which was wirtten by a man who was being paid by Zionist Jews.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

https://fitzinfo.net/2021/07/19/how-jews-took-over-china-an-created-chinese-communism/

I'll go through this site. Looks interesting.

I am unconvinced that the cult believes Zionistic rhetoric. I personally think it is just another front, but the most successful and powerful front, therefore I am more on your side than Hibiki. Besides from your Catholicism, you are 100% fine in my book. Hibiki likes occult-writers and denies Jewish power.

You guys probably look similar to a scrub, though.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't believe everything this site says, it has an anti-Eurasianist bias, which, honestly, is fine in my book considering Putin grew up studying the Talmud and loves Chabad. The Hegalian dialectic being played is the East vs. West rhetoric. The only losers are the normal people.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You guys probably look similar to a scrub, though.

:-(

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

How does Yale's Skull & Bones support of Mao tie into that?

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Many Yale alumni became officals in Mao's regime and/or supported him. They were all Jews.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (65 children)

They aren't the same. Jesuits are a certain philosophical group with certain goals and the Jews have completely different objectives. If you don't realize this, you will be manipulated.

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You believe their lies. You and I only know their symbols and actions edit: Not their personal beliefs. They use the same symbols, and their actions are inextricably tied together. I will not believe one of them to explain to me their views.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There you go. You are falling for the extreme conspiracism that I mentioned, thinking that you can't judge history regardless of your effort. And you guys think the CIA goons don't have influence on you...

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (57 children)

EXPLAIN the differences and WHY they matter.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (56 children)

Jews are a very materialist and pro-nationalist group, the Jesuits are radical supernaturalists that see the material world as a corruption that shouldn't exist. Since the Jews are such a unified and naturalist group, the Jesuits hate them.

A lot of the Jews that always get sold out to us as Ultra-Zionist lunatics are actually traitors towards their own people like the Rothschilds or the Bolsheviks for example, the Jesuits have their own different set of objectives working with the different Catholic groups in the Vatican and the CIA.

So by following most Ultra-Zionist world domination conspiracy theories, most conspiracists aren't opposing the government in any meaningful way, they even help it spread disinfo.

I can't make it anymore clear than that.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Don't "show" me anything. Explain it. Logically.

Because It's another shitty Hegelian Dialectic they set up.

I already assumed that and I could actually buy into that if I had more of an overall understanding. I don't need details. I need a reasonable grand plan.

The Third Age of Joachim is religious woo. I do not buy into any of that. While some elites might, I certain many don't - so they would therefore need PRACTICAL REASONS to lean into that woo.

The Jesuits planned the outcome of the conspiracist movement back when their control over the intelligence groups wasn't really that great.

To what end? I keep asking the same thing.

As long as you don't accept the fact that the big figures behind the NWO are a group of anti-Semites,

Why does this even matter?

How do you define "anti-Semitism"?

the CIA will continue to toy with you guys.

They'll do this anyway. Q-Anon, Flat Earth, etc may all be theirs.