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First, the Jewish Voice is basically a pro-crypto Zionist agency that Alison Weir knows all too well. The group has a history of defaming pro-Palestinian pundits while trying to remain objective publicly to save face.

Jesus wasn't Jewish. In fact, that word didn't exist in biblical times and is fallacious to even compare modern Jewry to biblical Israeli natives. Jesus was a Galilean and ethnic descendent of King David, who was also, like Abraham NOT JEWISH. The modern Jews are Edomites, Khazarians (Ashkenaz) and Cannanites. Some DNA does postulate that a small amount of 'Jews' have DNA evidence which might stem from semitic Israel but this is likely due to a rabbinic Jew who went to Edom and areas in Judea and conquered and forceably converted a great many natives there to rabinnic 'Judaism' IN 127 AD.

Jesus wasn't liberal either, nor conservative nor did he push any ism like a grifter would. He was the son of God and perfect.

It is important to state that I believe Jewish People have not rejected Jesus. They simply haven’t heard a Gospel message

And that is correct, but those in Him there is neither 'Jew' ie. Judahite which modern Jews have hijacked this identity (the word Jew was put in the bible for British Israelism under King James) ; nor Greek or Roman in Him. That is why people like the 'Jew' Edomite 'Christian' Dr. Michael Brown is a fraud. Not only does he grift off the bible but he buys into so much political buffonery and on top of that actually promotes the depraved 'Jewish' lurianic cabala on his Christian audience. Hence, there is no identity except those in Christ.

The first claim of the article you have sourced is correct, Jesus is listed many times outside of the New Testement and his reign is predicted even in the Book of Enoch by the very year.

Lie # 2 is incorrect.

The Jewish people did not exist during Jesus's time becuase modern Jewry is a construct and in no way similar to Judaism nor rabbinism back then, the latter which rejected Christ. In fact, modern 'Judaism' is newer than the worship and following of Christ. Modern Jews hijacked the word Judahite to define themselves when they were never Judahite hebrews who have died out long ago. This is exactly what Zionist Jews did with the word Semitic where they claim anyone who is anti-Zionist is anti-Semitic yet not only are they probably not semitic but Arabs and Palestinians for the most part are Semitic!

I was raised as a child in a Jewish home with the understanding that I was born a Jew, that I was to die a Jew, and anyone who wasn’t Jewish was a Christian or a Gentile. I also understood that Jewish identity meant one thing: Jews don’t believe in Jesus.

True, but a Jew in its MODERN DEFINITION is simply a term used to describe an ethnic Ashkenazi and Sephardi 'Jew' whether religious, rabbinic, or atheistical, which the later isn't really a Jew.

But that is a lie—the Jews have not rejected Jesus. The entire New Testament story took place in the Land of Israel— the Land of the Jews. Jesus was a Jew. He declared Himself the Messiah of Israel. All of His followers were Jews. The disciples were all Jews, as were the 120 in the Upper Room. The 3,000 that came to faith on the Jewish holiday of Shavuot, or Pentecost, “grew to about 5,000,” according to Acts 4:4. So there is a record of thousands of Jewish Believers in the promised Messiah of Israel, and they took the Gospel around the world.

To identitfy as as 'Jew' is to deny Christ in some form. No identity but that in Christ.

...took place in the Land of Israel— the Land of the Jews. Jesus was a Jew.

Wrong, the land of Israel was not the land of the Jews. That would be Edom and areas in what is now Russia and Syria. The word Jew did not exist. So, if he means the two groups mentioned in the bible, those were Judahite Hebrews that we can not compare to modern day Jews; they all died out.

Jesus was not a Jew. That word did not exist. Did Jesus practice the Talmud, Zohar, and Cabala? No. We cannot compare.

He declared Himself the Messiah of Israel.

Of Israel, which is not the modern Jewish nation. As I've said the entire construct is a false dichotomy based on hijacked identity. It goes like this:

You are not Jewish (modern definition) if you believe in Christ. You reject Judaism (modern rabbinism), you reject identity and follow him for neither there is Judahite, Greek or Roman in Christ.

Lie #3: The Jews Killed Jesus

How could the Jews kill Jesus if Jews didn't exist? We can only go by the religion of the Judahite hebrews that Jesus often talked to and rebuked.

The author of this Jewish agency article claims that this statement causes hatred and anti-Semitism. First, modern Jews are not semitic, second, this rabbi keeps his identity and likely upholds his counterfeit Israel nation state corporation. In fact, should thsoe who follow Christ even call themselves Catholics or Christians, really we should not.

Replacement Theology, an erroneous doctrine claiming the Jews are under eternal punishment and have been replaced by the Church.

That's not replacement theology. RT purports that Jesus fulfiled the law and in Him is the only law that msut be follwoed in spirit and faith. The new covenant supercedes the old and the old withers away as God says in the bible.

It wasn’t the Jews as a whole who killed Jesus.

Oh, so now it was only a certain Jew that killed Jesus? That might make sense but Jews didn't exist during that time.

REV: I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Judahite Hebrews [now says Jews; basically still applies] and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Meaning those who followed Jesus were a small following of Romans, other tribal groups, Judahite Hebrews etc., but they gave up their identities to follow Him.

Modern Zionist Jews, and their Jewish dupes have hijacked the Judahite Hebrew identity to steal the land of Israel as their own. They will continue to use this construct to maintain their nationstate corporation. Many Judahite hebrews went on to follow Christ and they revoked there identities completely, all of them did, for they were ONE with CHRIST. The Jews today who do not follow what Jesus preached are anti-Christ. It's that simple. Is that Anti-Judaic, no, because the Jews today are not really 'Jews.' "The Way", is Judaism ie. Judahaism, which we can say was simply God allowing Jesus, the Messiah to convert the nations to follow Him in faith. In fact, modern Judaism isn't Judaism and Jews who say Jew is a shortened word for Judahite hebrew identity are not really Jews.

https://mauricepinayblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/the-crucifixion-narrative-for-goys-vs-the-crucifixion-narrative-which-the-rabbis-maintain-amongst-themselves/

^ ^ ^ The Crucifixion Narrative for Goys vs. the Crucifixion Narrative Which the Rabbis Maintain Amongst Themselves

John 7:

After this Jesus went about in Galilee; he would not go about in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him.

Again, the Judahite Hebrews. Modern Jews are mostly frauds and the Jews that do practice their religion, Judaism, which is newer than those who follow Christ; practice the Zohar, Cabala, Talmud and Torah with their added ungodly translations. Modern Jews did not kill Jesus but they reject Him when they practice rabbinicalism.

Yet for fear of the Jews [Judahites] no one spoke openly of him.

John 10:

The Jews [Judahites] took up stones again to stone him.

John 11, John 18, John 38, John 20, Acts 9 , Acts 23, etc.


Everything else in the article is true.

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It's convoluted. I get it. But that's what happens when modern Jews hijack false identities.

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/u/socks

And in regards with the article you sourced getting Replacement Theology wrong...

Replacement theology has nothing to do with the church vs. Israel as Zionist apologists commonly utilize as a strawman.

Dr. Michael Brown, an allaeged 'Jewish' 'Christian,' who has pride in his MODERN JEWISH heritage and counterfeit Israel, tells us that God proclaimed Israel as the rightful land for Jews; all of it and nobody elses and that if one wants to possess the land with Jews, they must be circumsiced.

Does this sound liek a Christian or a modern Jew... Khazar, Edomite, Cannanite? He certainly does not sound like a follower of Christ. What Brown gets wrong is that God proclaimed Israel the right of those in Christ through FAITH. Faith has superceded all the laws, many of them added by man and are convoluted. Modern Jews are not Semitic nor are they Israelis or Judahites, etc. They have no right to pillage, plunder and kill and rape natives of their livlihood because God proclaimed it their land when He never did. jesus fulfilled their desire for land and they, most Judahite hebrews rejected Him and modern 'Jews' obviously reject him today or simply believe in his and praise him but then hold onto their 'Jewish' identity.

Political ZioCons are the antisemites because Jew were never a race who God promised a land for their flesh only.

Zionists made it a race to try make themselves the DOOR to heaven on earth. God tells you [replace the word Jew in every verse with Judahite] :

Romans 2:28 (KJV)

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Romans 2:29 (KJV)

But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

Jews, like Dr. Michael Brown are using the race card while claiming if you don't agree that God is racist, then you are going against God.

But Jesus said:

John 18:36 (KJV)

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

The people who made Jew a flesh thing, then killed Jesus to keep their earthly position and have since told everyone that they are chosen whether even outside of Christ, which is a blasphemous joke. The root has been cut off, but a small subset, if it were to pronouce Yeshua as its savior and follow his way would be grafted back on. It is that simple.

It is all a ploy, which is why Jew is becoming about race and land...yet God told us not to be entangled with this world...

Jesus is the elect and chosen and anyone can be IN HIM BY believing the gospel that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose the 3rd day.

Ephesians 1:4 (KJV)

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Luke 23:35 (KJV)

And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided [him], saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.

1 Peter 2:6 (KJV)

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

That is why the bible--the one not perverted--says:

Isaiah 45:17 (KJV)

[But] Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Hence, Israel is not a piece of land, God is not a land speculator like the Rothschild ZioCons were! No, God has told us that Israel is spirit, it is from His son who walked upon earth to teach the Jews and later all nations "The Way", some followed him, among them were also cannanites and gentiles, but many Jews did not follow. They rejected his teachings as is evidenced in the Laurianic Cabala and Talmud. Today, if you preach his word in Israel, you are stoned and spat on. The Israel is NOT THE CHURCH it is those person rich in their hearts who are obedient towards Yeshua who preached "The Way." Any person, any nation can be grated in, but the modern secular state of Israel foudned on Jewish terrorism is not the Israel of God.

Don't be fooled. The US, Britain are really behind this false carnal racist Zionism, which is why they are making Jews "white" and trying to do DNA testing despite:

Titus 3:9 (KJV)

But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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Thanks for this. I appreciate everything that's written here, which in my view is part of a larger series of theological arguments. I responded to your other notes on that weblink, which are also much appreciated. Though we agree on much of this, there is a tendency here appropriately focus on problems in Jewish theology while also putting too fine a point on some of the arguments, as if all Jews subscribed to those problems in Jewish theology. We can perhaps agree that there are majority modern Jewish approaches that are highly problematic because of their ahistorical and anachronistic arguments. If however we are to debunk assumptions about Israel from the theological and historical points of view (as we should) we would want to focus on primary sources and the broader implications of their claims, part of which has led to serious geopolitical and social problems.