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[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

This was literally the worst comment you could have made. You didn't even read the article, and Jews don't have to look Jewish, only racialist Zionists promote that.

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That's not very nice, Jesus. WWJD?

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NOT racialize Jews based on their looks when Jews don't even exist and modern 'Jews' are edomites, Khazars (Ashkenaz) and canaanites, and not real Jews and created counterfeit Israel by thr sword and bomb. In addition, you'll know them by their fruits.

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I didn't write that you were wrong. I wrote that the comment was not nice. (Not that comments must be 'nice', but you get my point. Moreover, you're Jesus.)

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Considering Jesus whipped the money changers out of the temple and synagogues and tried to save them by preaching the good news, and they subsequently crucified him; is all I need to know about modern day 'Jews' who are mostly edomites. They are the synagogue of Satan for a reason and the great thing about Christianity is that we turn the other cheek and help the weak, where as 'Judaism' rabbinic Pharisaism preaches the opposite.

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You might not agree with the following, but it's at least informative of the approaches of some people, theologians, liberal Jews &c: https://www.jewishvoice.org/read/blog/10-biggest-lies-about-yeshua-his-jewishness-and-what-some-call-jewish-christianity

Of course there are conservative Jews who will also not agree with much of this.

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First, the Jewish Voice is basically a pro-crypto Zionist agency that Alison Weir knows all too well. The group has a history of defaming pro-Palestinian pundits while trying to remain objective publicly to save face.

Jesus wasn't Jewish. In fact, that word didn't exist in biblical times and is fallacious to even compare modern Jewry to biblical Israeli natives. Jesus was a Galilean and ethnic descendent of King David, who was also, like Abraham NOT JEWISH. The modern Jews are Edomites, Khazarians (Ashkenaz) and Cannanites. Some DNA does postulate that a small amount of 'Jews' have DNA evidence which might stem from semitic Israel but this is likely due to a rabbinic Jew who went to Edom and areas in Judea and conquered and forceably converted a great many natives there to rabinnic 'Judaism' IN 127 AD.

Jesus wasn't liberal either, nor conservative nor did he push any ism like a grifter would. He was the son of God and perfect.

It is important to state that I believe Jewish People have not rejected Jesus. They simply haven’t heard a Gospel message

And that is correct, but those in Him there is neither 'Jew' ie. Judahite which modern Jews have hijacked this identity (the word Jew was put in the bible for British Israelism under King James) ; nor Greek or Roman in Him. That is why people like the 'Jew' Edomite 'Christian' Dr. Michael Brown is a fraud. Not only does he grift off the bible but he buys into so much political buffonery and on top of that actually promotes the depraved 'Jewish' lurianic cabala on his Christian audience. Hence, there is no identity except those in Christ.

The first claim of the article you have sourced is correct, Jesus is listed many times outside of the New Testement and his reign is predicted even in the Book of Enoch by the very year.

Lie # 2 is incorrect.

The Jewish people did not exist during Jesus's time becuase modern Jewry is a construct and in no way similar to Judaism nor rabbinism back then, the latter which rejected Christ. In fact, modern 'Judaism' is newer than the worship and following of Christ. Modern Jews hijacked the word Judahite to define themselves when they were never Judahite hebrews who have died out long ago. This is exactly what Zionist Jews did with the word Semitic where they claim anyone who is anti-Zionist is anti-Semitic yet not only are they probably not semitic but Arabs and Palestinians for the most part are Semitic!

I was raised as a child in a Jewish home with the understanding that I was born a Jew, that I was to die a Jew, and anyone who wasn’t Jewish was a Christian or a Gentile. I also understood that Jewish identity meant one thing: Jews don’t believe in Jesus.

True, but a Jew in its MODERN DEFINITION is simply a term used to describe an ethnic Ashkenazi and Sephardi 'Jew' whether religious, rabbinic, or atheistical, which the later isn't really a Jew.

But that is a lie—the Jews have not rejected Jesus. The entire New Testament story took place in the Land of Israel— the Land of the Jews. Jesus was a Jew. He declared Himself the Messiah of Israel. All of His followers were Jews. The disciples were all Jews, as were the 120 in the Upper Room. The 3,000 that came to faith on the Jewish holiday of Shavuot, or Pentecost, “grew to about 5,000,” according to Acts 4:4. So there is a record of thousands of Jewish Believers in the promised Messiah of Israel, and they took the Gospel around the world.

To identitfy as as 'Jew' is to deny Christ in some form. No identity but that in Christ.

...took place in the Land of Israel— the Land of the Jews. Jesus was a Jew.

Wrong, the land of Israel was not the land of the Jews. That would be Edom and areas in what is now Russia and Syria. The word Jew did not exist. So, if he means the two groups mentioned in the bible, those were Judahite Hebrews that we can not compare to modern day Jews; they all died out.

Jesus was not a Jew. That word did not exist. Did Jesus practice the Talmud, Zohar, and Cabala? No. We cannot compare.

He declared Himself the Messiah of Israel.

Of Israel, which is not the modern Jewish nation. As I've said the entire construct is a false dichotomy based on hijacked identity. It goes like this:

You are not Jewish (modern definition) if you believe in Christ. You reject Judaism (modern rabbinism), you reject identity and follow him for neither there is Judahite, Greek or Roman in Christ.

Lie #3: The Jews Killed Jesus

How could the Jews kill Jesus if Jews didn't exist? We can only go by the religion of the Judahite hebrews that Jesus often talked to and rebuked.

The author of this Jewish agency article claims that this statement causes hatred and anti-Semitism. First, modern Jews are not semitic, second, this rabbi keeps his identity and likely upholds his counterfeit Israel nation state corporation. In fact, should thsoe who follow Christ even call themselves Catholics or Christians, really we should not.

Replacement Theology, an erroneous doctrine claiming the Jews are under eternal punishment and have been replaced by the Church.

That's not replacement theology. RT purports that Jesus fulfiled the law and in Him is the only law that msut be follwoed in spirit and faith. The new covenant supercedes the old and the old withers away as God says in the bible.

It wasn’t the Jews as a whole who killed Jesus.

Oh, so now it was only a certain Jew that killed Jesus? That might make sense but Jews didn't exist during that time.

REV: I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Judahite Hebrews [now says Jews; basically still applies] and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Meaning those who followed Jesus were a small following of Romans, other tribal groups, Judahite Hebrews etc., but they gave up their identities to follow Him.

Modern Zionist Jews, and their Jewish dupes have hijacked the Judahite Hebrew identity to steal the land of Israel as their own. They will continue to use this construct to maintain their nationstate corporation. Many Judahite hebrews went on to follow Christ and they revoked there identities completely, all of them did, for they were ONE with CHRIST. The Jews today who do not follow what Jesus preached are anti-Christ. It's that simple. Is that Anti-Judaic, no, because the Jews today are not really 'Jews.' "The Way", is Judaism ie. Judahaism, which we can say was simply God allowing Jesus, the Messiah to convert the nations to follow Him in faith. In fact, modern Judaism isn't Judaism and Jews who say Jew is a shortened word for Judahite hebrew identity are not really Jews.

https://mauricepinayblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/the-crucifixion-narrative-for-goys-vs-the-crucifixion-narrative-which-the-rabbis-maintain-amongst-themselves/

^ ^ ^ The Crucifixion Narrative for Goys vs. the Crucifixion Narrative Which the Rabbis Maintain Amongst Themselves

John 7:

After this Jesus went about in Galilee; he would not go about in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him.

Again, the Judahite Hebrews. Modern Jews are mostly frauds and the Jews that do practice their religion, Judaism, which is newer than those who follow Christ; practice the Zohar, Cabala, Talmud and Torah with their added ungodly translations. Modern Jews did not kill Jesus but they reject Him when they practice rabbinicalism.

Yet for fear of the Jews [Judahites] no one spoke openly of him.

John 10:

The Jews [Judahites] took up stones again to stone him.

John 11, John 18, John 38, John 20, Acts 9 , Acts 23, etc.


Everything else in the article is true.

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It's convoluted. I get it. But that's what happens when modern Jews hijack false identities.

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/u/socks

And in regards with the article you sourced getting Replacement Theology wrong...

Replacement theology has nothing to do with the church vs. Israel as Zionist apologists commonly utilize as a strawman.

Dr. Michael Brown, an allaeged 'Jewish' 'Christian,' who has pride in his MODERN JEWISH heritage and counterfeit Israel, tells us that God proclaimed Israel as the rightful land for Jews; all of it and nobody elses and that if one wants to possess the land with Jews, they must be circumsiced.

Does this sound liek a Christian or a modern Jew... Khazar, Edomite, Cannanite? He certainly does not sound like a follower of Christ. What Brown gets wrong is that God proclaimed Israel the right of those in Christ through FAITH. Faith has superceded all the laws, many of them added by man and are convoluted. Modern Jews are not Semitic nor are they Israelis or Judahites, etc. They have no right to pillage, plunder and kill and rape natives of their livlihood because God proclaimed it their land when He never did. jesus fulfilled their desire for land and they, most Judahite hebrews rejected Him and modern 'Jews' obviously reject him today or simply believe in his and praise him but then hold onto their 'Jewish' identity.

Political ZioCons are the antisemites because Jew were never a race who God promised a land for their flesh only.

Zionists made it a race to try make themselves the DOOR to heaven on earth. God tells you [replace the word Jew in every verse with Judahite] :

Romans 2:28 (KJV)

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Romans 2:29 (KJV)

But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

Jews, like Dr. Michael Brown are using the race card while claiming if you don't agree that God is racist, then you are going against God.

But Jesus said:

John 18:36 (KJV)

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

The people who made Jew a flesh thing, then killed Jesus to keep their earthly position and have since told everyone that they are chosen whether even outside of Christ, which is a blasphemous joke. The root has been cut off, but a small subset, if it were to pronouce Yeshua as its savior and follow his way would be grafted back on. It is that simple.

It is all a ploy, which is why Jew is becoming about race and land...yet God told us not to be entangled with this world...

Jesus is the elect and chosen and anyone can be IN HIM BY believing the gospel that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose the 3rd day.

Ephesians 1:4 (KJV)

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Luke 23:35 (KJV)

And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided [him], saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.

1 Peter 2:6 (KJV)

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

That is why the bible--the one not perverted--says:

Isaiah 45:17 (KJV)

[But] Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Hence, Israel is not a piece of land, God is not a land speculator like the Rothschild ZioCons were! No, God has told us that Israel is spirit, it is from His son who walked upon earth to teach the Jews and later all nations "The Way", some followed him, among them were also cannanites and gentiles, but many Jews did not follow. They rejected his teachings as is evidenced in the Laurianic Cabala and Talmud. Today, if you preach his word in Israel, you are stoned and spat on. The Israel is NOT THE CHURCH it is those person rich in their hearts who are obedient towards Yeshua who preached "The Way." Any person, any nation can be grated in, but the modern secular state of Israel foudned on Jewish terrorism is not the Israel of God.

Don't be fooled. The US, Britain are really behind this false carnal racist Zionism, which is why they are making Jews "white" and trying to do DNA testing despite:

Titus 3:9 (KJV)

But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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Thanks for this. I appreciate everything that's written here, which in my view is part of a larger series of theological arguments. I responded to your other notes on that weblink, which are also much appreciated. Though we agree on much of this, there is a tendency here appropriately focus on problems in Jewish theology while also putting too fine a point on some of the arguments, as if all Jews subscribed to those problems in Jewish theology. We can perhaps agree that there are majority modern Jewish approaches that are highly problematic because of their ahistorical and anachronistic arguments. If however we are to debunk assumptions about Israel from the theological and historical points of view (as we should) we would want to focus on primary sources and the broader implications of their claims, part of which has led to serious geopolitical and social problems.

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you are quoting a fantasy book(with the most hilariously fucked up translation), and using a guy who obviously never existed as a source. LOL!. you are my favorite poster on this site!

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First, the Jewish Voice is basically a pro-crypto Zionist agency

Yes - they're terrible

Jesus wasn't Jewish.

We don't even know if he was a person. There are important studies on the historical Jesus, some of which focus on Palestinian Jewish 'heretics' from his time who were preaching. He knew the Jewish traditions so well that he might have been Jewish. He also used Buddhist theology.

Jesus wasn't liberal either, nor conservative ...

These were not terms used 2000 years ago. Quotations of him indicate that his approaches were quite a bit "left" by our standards, so far left that Constantine probably appreciated that Christians were easier to manipulate than the other religious groups, though only 10% of the population were Christian in 311.

The Jewish people did not exist during Jesus's time becuase modern Jewry is a construct ... Modern Jews hijacked the word Judahite to define themselves when they were never Judahite hebrews who have died out long ago. This is exactly what Zionist Jews did with the word Semitic where they claim anyone who is anti-Zionist is anti-Semitic yet not only are they probably not semitic but Arabs and Palestinians for the most part are Semitic!

I agree with this. Approaches to ancient Hebrews would have to be examined in their original context.

"Jewish identity meant one thing: Jews don’t believe in Jesus" ...True, but a Jew in its MODERN DEFINITION is simply a term used to describe an ethnic Ashkenazi and Sephardi 'Jew'

Yes - which is indeed problematic, especially when one considers that writers of the New Testament were Hebrews. There are also Mizrahi (oriental) and Ethiopian Jews.

To identitfy as as 'Jew' is to deny Christ in some form.

What they deny is that he was their Messiah, which is not surprising

...the land of Israel was not the land of the Jews. That would be Edom and areas in what is now Russia and Syria. The word Jew did not exist. So, if he means the two groups mentioned in the bible, those were Judahite Hebrews that we can not compare to modern day Jews; they all died out.

I agree with most of this

Jesus was not a Jew.

We don't 'know' who he was. There is general agreement that he was one of the Hebrew heretic preachers born in Palestine, but he's known only in stories

You are not Jewish (modern definition) if you believe in Christ. You reject Judaism (modern rabbinism), you reject identity and follow him for neither there is Judahite, Greek or Roman in Christ.

You may know that there are liberal Jews who believe that they are very much Jewish - because their moms were Jewish - and they don't believe that they have to agree with anything you just wrote here. I think you and I disagree on this point. We cannot with any regularity fit people neatly in categories like this, as much as we or they would want us to. There is a liberal Jewish movement in New York, but I don't know much about it. I think most of them belong to this group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Judaism

How could the Jews kill Jesus if Jews didn't exist? We can only go by the religion of the Judahite hebrews that Jesus often talked to and rebuked.

Pharisees had Jesus killed. We could argue that they're unrelated to modern Jews, but what they believed is very similar to what conservative Jews believe today. For example, Netanyahu and the Likud would not like Jesus.

First, modern Jews are not semitic...

If the vast majority of them see themselves as semitic, there isn't much we can do about it. The term refers mainly to the language that's used and it's modern usage dates only to 1770.

Oh, so now it was only a certain Jew that killed Jesus? That might make sense but Jews didn't exist during that time. REV: I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Judahite Hebrews [now says Jews; basically still applies] and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

I somethat agree with this. However - we can perhaps appreciate that ALL Hebrews did not hate Jesus enough to have him killed.

Meaning those who followed Jesus were a small following of Romans, other tribal groups, Judahite Hebrews etc., but they gave up their identities to follow Him.

Yes - though we know from recent scholarship on Josephus that one did not have to give up one's identity in order to follow Jesus's sayings or Jesus himself. There were many in Roman Palestine who were Roman Hebrews, and would have been OK with the title Roman Hebrew Christian. It's not human nature to follow only one way of thinking or believing, though there are some who like to do this.

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We don't even know if he was a person. There are important studies on the historical Jesus, some of which focus on Palestinian Jewish 'heretics' from his time who were preaching. He knew the Jewish traditions so well that he might have been Jewish. He also used Buddhist theology.

We do, many non-biblical stories account for Yeshua, even the Talmud accounts for Him saying he was a bastard child rotting in excrement. The Rabbis who rejected Christ hated Him.

He knew the Jewish traditions so well that he might have been Jewish. He also used Buddhist theology.

He knew Judahite hebrew traditions... he knew nothing of modern Jewish traditions such as the Talmud, Zohar, Lurianic Cabala... hence, not Jewish.

These were not terms used 2000 years ago. Quotations of him indicate that his approaches were quite a bit "left" by our standards, so far left that Constantine probably appreciated that Christians were easier to manipulate than the other religious groups, though only 10% of the population were Christian in 311.

Christians, ie. "the way" followers would work with the ruling powers under the view that they were subordinate to God and if they did anything contrary to God and forced Jesus followers to follow, they would refuse. Hence, Polycarp and thousands of Christians being burned alive in Pagan Rome for refusing to believe Ceasar was God. They certainly understood the threat of the movement and its morality which Pagan Romans did not follow and often made fun of.

There are also Mizrahi (oriental) and Ethiopian Jews.

Yes, after the dispersion but we cannot account for Semitic origins due to the passage of time and conversion campaigns. They do, however, purport to have the full book of Enoch, so they have been situated there for a very long time.

What they deny is that he was their Messiah, which is not surprising.

Yes, which is why modern 'Jews' based on the modern def. of Jew means anti-Christ. They are anti-Christ. That doesn't mean they are racially inferior or some other depraved view like that.

We don't 'know' who he was. There is general agreement that he was one of the Hebrew heretic preachers born in Palestine, but he's known only in stories

Modern Jews are not semitic Judahite hebrews. If Jesus is Jewish as you claim, I understand it that you mean he might have been a 'heretic' Judahite hebrew. Though I doubt this theory. Again, Jesus was not JEWISH in teh modern def. of the word Jew as Zionists like to claim.

You may know that there are liberal Jews who believe that they are very much Jewish - because their moms were Jewish - and they don't believe that they have to agree with anything you just wrote here. I think you and I disagree on this point. We cannot with any regularity fit people neatly in categories like this, as much as we or they would want us to. There is a liberal Jewish movement in New York, but I don't know much about it. I think most of them belong to this group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Judaism

Well this goes against the bible. First God said it was to be of the patrilineal line, not the matrilineal line... so they differ here on God's word. Secondly, I don't care if a modern Jew is liberal, conservative or progressive you cannot be BORN A JEW, period. The word Jew is a construct. All Judaism is, is a hijacked Judahite hebrew identity by Khazars, Cannanites, edomites practicing rabbinism. If you are an atheistical Jew and you don't practice rabbinism unless you promote it to destroy Christian nations which we can see Karl Marx did; then you are not a Jew. I don't really care if you say you are born 'Jew' because nobody can be born a Jew. Again, this is where I says atheistical 'Jews' are being used as dupes to further Zionism to some end.

If you want to claim you are a modern atheistical Jew, just say you are culturally Ashkenazi or Sephardic and leave it at that.

Pharisees had Jesus killed. We could argue that they're unrelated to modern Jews, but what they believed is very similar to what conservative Jews believe today. For example, Netanyahu and the Likud would not like Jesus.

Yes, Pharisees, which modern Rabbinists say is their modern religion. Doesn't make them blood related to biblical Israel nor does it make them the Pharisees of that time due to the passage of time and worshipping of the ZOhar, Talmud, written after Christ, and lurianic Cabala.

but what they believed is very similar to what conservative Jews believe today. For example, Netanyahu and the Likud would not like Jesus.

Yes, true... they'd probably kill Him... which is why I said the rejection of Christ by Judahite Hebrews is little different than the rejection of modern Jews today.

Hence, you can replace Judahite hebrews with the word Jew in its modern def. today but only in the understanding that they reject Christ. Not that they are one and the same.

If the vast majority of them see themselves as semitic, there isn't much we can do about it. The term refers mainly to the language that's used and it's modern usage dates only to 1770.

Again, going back to atheistical Jews as dupes. And this is the problem they hijacked Semitism and anti-Semitism as their own to take Israel for themselves, and then created a modern hebrew language to save face and look semitic. I did however, watch a great interview conducted by Russel Brand who interviewed a humanist non-religious 'Jew,' as he called himself, though we can say he came from Sephardi, Ashkenazi culture, etc., and he really isn't a Jew but he did admit that there are good scholars who say that Jews might not be semitic. He was for the Palestinian cause as well so I find this a good outlook. And I don't fault him for his humanism.

that ALL Hebrews did not hate Jesus enough to have him killed.

Yes, agreed.

Yes - though we know from recent scholarship on Josephus that one did not have to give up one's identity in order to follow Jesus's sayings or Jesus himself. There were many in Roman Palestine who were Roman Hebrews, and would have been OK with the title Roman Hebrew Christian. It's not human nature to follow only one way of thinking or believing, though there are some who like to do this.

Well God tells us that you should renounce these earthly identities. If pride of race, family, kingship, etc is of your identity in this world, you can not follow Him. You must be born again in spirit and renounce these things.

It's not human nature to follow only one way of thinking or believing, though there are some who like to do this.

Yes, Jesus the Son of God did just this. Once you get tangled up in earthly identities you fall away from Jesus that includes 'Christian' institutions, though they are a safehaven for the promulgation of rightful living and the gospel. Remember, the word Christian was created by pagan Romans as slang agaisnt those who followed Christ.

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Care to debunk what I have written? Or rather, what do you think?