Obama and Bush Warning not to challenge the official 9/11 story.

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[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

I always bring up the Jesuits systematically, but a lot of users aren't confortable with my findings. Keep in mind that when I was new to their theories, despite leaning more towards the Jesuits being the strongest group, I was still open minded towards the idea of being proven wrong. But even back then Magnora greatly respected my point of view about Greater Israel not being the end goal of the NWO anymore... A lot of the times Saidit has been attacked, it involves the shills astroturfing for the most hardcore anti-Semitic theories. At this point I'm sure the end goal of the NWO is the Jesuit technocracy, the Omega Point and the Third Age of Joachim. That's because a lot of the most important figures behind the Globalist and capitalist movement were related to the Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, who created "Darwinian-Capitalism" and was extremely influential in the globalist movement itself. The ruling groups ideas of depopulation come from him.

Also, the CIA is a Catholic and Jesuit controlled organization. Here are my arguments:

The fact that they have been controlling the Vatican for hundreds of years needs to be made clear.

Both Hitler and Himmler admitted the influence the Jesuits had on the ideals of the national socialists... and it was the Vatican that allowed many of them to escape, out of which many of them helped in the creation of the CIA and were part of many of its operations.

The founding father of the CIA, William J. Donovan was granted the Grand Cross of the Order of St. Sylvester. Only like a hundred men have been given this award... and it is granted by the pope himself because of some service to the Vatican.

The CIA's director of intelligence Allen Dulles and the Jesuit priest Avery Dulles were blood related. Allen was also the CIA director that was in power for the longest time.

Like Donovan, the CIA's director John A. McCone was given the Grand Cross of the Order of St. Sylvester because of his service to the Vatican. John was also involved in the creation of the CIA itself.

Finally, the CIA itself is a Catholic organization, like its nickname implies. Which Catholics themselves openly boost about through their media.

Doctor Stephen D. Mumford, wrote in American democracy & the Vatican: Population Growth & national security, pg 172:

"The CIA serves as an agency through which secret assistance to the Holy Mother Roman Catholic Church can be provided by secret American society members acting as her defenders.

For creating the Office of Strategic Services [OSS], the wartime predecessor to the CIA, and this special arrangement with the Vatican, General William (Wild Bill) Donovan was decorated in July 1944 by Pope Pius XII with the Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Sylvester, the oldest and most prestigious of papal knighthoods. This award has been given to only one hundred other men in history, who by feat of arms or writing or outstanding deeds have spread the faith and have safeguarded and championed the Roman Catholic Church.

Donovan did more to safeguard and champion the Roman Catholic Church than any other American, and he was rewarded for his services with the highest Roman Catholic award ever received by an American. No doubt, thousands of others have striven with their deeds for similar recognition."

Former CIA officer E. Howard Hunt said in an interview in the documentary "A Coup Made in America" which aired on Canadian television series Turning Points of History in 1998, speaking on his role in the coup d’état in Guatemala in 1954 that:

“We had gotten the okay from Cardinal Spellman to go ahead with this… and I wouldn't presume to trace the lines of authority within the Catholic Church… how they get their information they deal with… We've always said in an admiring way that the Jesuits form the greatest intelligence service in the world and always have."

The Jesuits are a group of radical supernaturalists, they hate the Jews for their materialism and nationalism and have been behind many movements in order to attack them in the past. They created the "Jewish plan for world domination" theories:

The black pope Ledochowski conspired to block the policies of Pope Pius XI seeking to condemn anti-Semitism in Europe.

Jesuit Pietro Tacchi Venturi played a vital role in Italian fascism and Mussolini's anti-Semitic policies.

Leo H. Lehmann mentioned that the Jesuits were behind the creation of the Protocols of the elders of Zion.

The Jesuits were responsible for the creation of the anti-Semitic myths, which started with their demonization of the Jews and the Rothschilds in their magazine La Civilita Cattolica as part of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy.

Also like I showed before, the Rothschilds themselves don't own the Vatican, unlike what a lot of people would have you believe that they are ultra-nationalist Jews, they actually helped the Vatican spread the anti-Semitic stories. They are one of the worst traitors towards their own people.

This is why I find the people who still hold on to the old Greater Israel narratives to be laughable, I've made tons of research on my own over the years but instead of being open minded about it they keep holding up to their pleasing sound-bytes of anti-Semitism, which by the way, tends to get pushed over here by Catholic groups all the time. The most hardcore anti-Semitic users over here are confessed supernaturalist Catholics who have admitted their hatred towards the flesh and the need to give up on it in order to become spirits over here at Saidit. Does anyone actually remember that the CIA is a Catholic organization and that the Jesuits are anti-Semites? I wouldn't bother people opposing me if they actually properly investigated these events, but this usually isn't the case and they simply don't want to change their views.

I mentioned that the Jesuits were behind the biggest conflicts in Latin America. Here is my research about it, including the thing about the black pope and my hometown.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

a lot of users aren't confortable with my findings.

It's not about comfort. Much of the Jesuit stuff is fascinating.

The problem is how you ignore, deflect, or spin the Zionist stuff, thus you often paint a Jesuit narrative that seems misleading, inauthentically disproportionate in the face of abundant evidence, and potentially misinfo or disinfo - by choice or by ignorance.

In short, you offer another conflicting counter-narrative rather than supplemental threads that weave into the dominant truth-seeking counter-narrative opposing the "official" narrative which we all agree is bunk.

As /u/d3rr pointed out, it doesn't have to be either-or, when it seems obvious all these powerful groups overlap and collaborate.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

The Jesuits hate Jews. They want you to chase them all day long instead of focusing your time doing actual CIA Counter-Intelligence work. I don't have a problem with you guys calling out the Jews when they do a fuck up, I do so myself all the time. But It's hardly fair to blame them for the world domination plot.

The Jesuits literally used the term "world domination" in their writtings in La Civiltà Cattolica when talking about the Jews LMAO, and you guys think you are actually smarter than the CIA goons.

Again, I've been researching them for years and I know who the Jezzies are, you guys are simply falling for radical conspiracism thinking you are playing smart neutral, but you really aren't and are right where the CIA goons want you to be.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

But It's hardly fair to blame them for the world domination plot.

You've got major blinders on. With this many people telling you so, perhaps you might reconsider looking at the evidence again.

The Jews and globalist Zionists also use similar "world domination" phrases and terminology, throughout history up to today. This is not new, nor exclusive to these or other groups, powerful or not.

you guys think you are actually smarter than the CIA goons

No one said that. Stay focused.

simply falling for radical conspiracism

You aren't? Those years obsessing on this topic may be why you're so biased and blinded.

thinking you are playing smart neutral, but you really aren't and are right where the CIA goons want you to be.

Where is that?

I don't know who is at the top other than those with power. The B.I.S. seems to be the very top to me, but I don't care about the specifics of whether it's Zionists or Jesuits or Masons or Illuminati or BigFoot. I just know we all need to punch upwards.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

There were no Jewish "World Domination" plot myths until the Jesuits started with their writtings. But you can't be sure of that or anything at all when you hold on to radical conspiracism. It doesn't actually make you smarter, it is a very anti-intellectual perspective.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I'm pretty sure you're full of shit here, perhaps using literal "World Domination" in quotes to actually avoid discussing the enslavement of the goyim, etc etc etc. Either that or somehow you're trying to tell me that Jesuits fabricated all that history and the words in the Talmud, etc etc etc.

I am as "radical" as any surfer/hippie/voluntarist, but I'm not an extremist kind of radical who's for corruption, mass murder, and global domination.

There's nothing radical about it when the abundance of evidence piles high with endless examples. There are "normal" people (and Jews), and then there are radical extremists of all races and faiths - including some Jews.

/u/Jesus would know better how to provide you the evidence, if you are actually arguing in good faith and are willing to look at the MOUNTAINOUS WEALTH OF EVIDENCE that Zionists are hell bent on global dominance, in league with or without the Jesuits.

It doesn't actually make you smarter, it is a very anti-intellectual perspective.

Proof?

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

They are mostly peaceful people. Yes, the distorted if you "aren't part of us you are against us" tribalism, the getting rid of the goyim is good, "no one can criticize us" mentality has been part of them for a long time. But rather see them for their good side rather than the bad. There are Jews that are so open minded that wouldn't mind admitting defeat if I could empirically proof that the Holocaust was greatly exaggerated and likewise, I wouldn't mind being proven wrong either.

Anyway, you might not believe me but I'm actually worried about you guys and trying to get you to see the big picture. We have to setup some kind of revolutionary movement eventually because it won't matter how red pilled we get, it won't stop the Vatican by itself. You guys aren't actually that far away from calling genocide against the Jews over here... I remember that back on my days of military training, I was taught by the National Socialists to see the Jews as a race of sorts with downright terrible qualities, but even as my worst self, I never actually thought about harming the Jews myself and watching you guys spew racist rethoric like this is disturbing. Also, keep in mind that Jesus has talked about his dislike for the National Socialists, sure as hell doesn't like me for being related to them and is one of the Catholic dudes I was talking about.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Yes, but you use the cop-out that because some Jews did bad things, that doesn't mean a certain sect of Jewry want to take over the world.

The evidence clearly debunks this claim. There are certain Jewish sects that exclaim loudly that they plan to tak over the world by destroying the west and Christianity, which you exclaim is fraudulent and Christ was Ceasar as a Dialectical-Materialist would claim or counter to this, a rabbi would claim is rotting in feces.

"aren't part of us you are against us" tribalism, the getting rid of the goyim is good, "no one can criticize us" mentality has been part of them for a long time.

And this is a bad thing in every way shape of form. This is what breeds anti-Jewish sentiment. This is what causes in-group nepotism at the expense of the non-Jew.

Anyway, you might not believe me but I'm actually worried about you guys and trying to get you to see the big picture. We have to setup some kind of revolutionary movement eventually because it won't matter how red pilled we get, it won't stop the Vatican by itself. You guys aren't actually that far away from calling genocide against the Jews over here... I remember that back on my days of military training, I was taught by the National Socialists to see the Jews as a race of sorts with downright terrible qualities, but even as my worst self, I never actually thought about harming the Jews myself and watching you guys spew racist rethoric like this is disturbing. Also, keep in mind that Jesus has talked about his dislike for the National Socialists, sure as hell doesn't like me for being related to them and is one of the Catholic dudes I was talking about.

You're not worried about anons on the Internet. You want to setup some kind of revolutionary movement for what? For Bolshevik Jews to easily hijack and lead to the despotism of Sovietism? No Christian would ever proclai mto revolt against the order except in the name of Christ and for his sake. Why would we want to revolt agaisnt the Vatican which was against the Iraq war?

You guys aren't actually that far away from calling genocide against the Jews over here...

You are sounding more and more like a Jew with a victimization complex. Christians are to turn the other cheek. The only people killing millions of people in the 21st century are Jewish supremacists hellbent on war such as the warlord rabbi Dov Zakheim who says raping non-Jews in a time of war is totally legal.

What are you talking about here? You were taught by the National Socialists? Are you 100 years old?

I remember that back on my days of military training, I was taught by the National Socialists to see the Jews as a race of sorts with downright terrible qualities, but even as my worst self, I never actually thought about harming the Jews myself and watching you guys spew racist rethoric like this is disturbing.

Nobody believes Jews to be a race except Jewish Zionsits such as yourself Hibs. And National Socialists who were sick of Jewish usury. I believe Judaism to be a ethnicity and anti-Christ religion which is full of depravities and subvertion of God's word. Please provide evidence of this racist rhetoric you speak of? Examples?

Also, keep in mind that Jesus has talked about his dislike for the National Socialists, sure as hell doesn't like me for being related to them and is one of the Catholic dudes I was talking about.

This sounds like a play on words here, like you are using classic Hegelians to sway people into some Fed-op direction. I don't even udnerstand what you're tryign to convey here. I talk about my dislike because they rejected the Mystical Body of Christ.

So, Hibs is a 120 year old National Socialist or was he trained by the ZioFascist National Socialist IDF and you should believe him becaue Jesus doesn't like National Socialism but Hibs believes Jews to be a race and Catholcis are evil. Sounds like you are for Jewish Zionism, knowing that Nazis are all gone and Ziofascists can take the reign and impsoe the Jewish race construct.

It's not very hard to see what you're doing here Hibs.

/u/Jasoncarswell

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I agree with everything you said, though I don't think you're going to win much less convince him with that tone, even if he is being absurd at points. And NatSoc?

It's not very hard to see what you're doing here Hibs.

It's not clear to me. Hibs reposts excellent content, over and over. Perhaps that's to earn trust. Regardless, it's good content people need to see. He's one of the most critical voices against Jesuits. I don't care. He's pro-Zionist. That's very disappointing but hardly unique here - and importantly we'll not ignore it, even if we don't call it out every single time (because there are other things to worry about too). The censorship is a legit concern. The Zionism and censorship means we need to be extra vigilant, that's all.

IMHO, you guys should take a break from each other. Agree to disagree. Neither of you are getting through to each other. Our time can be better spent saving the world and punching up at whoever's boot is stomping on our human faces forever.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agree.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's so much in this post that makes me wanna cringe. The Jesuits are the leading group behind downright almost all conflicts in Latin America for decades now. The Vatican has gone beyond geniune faith and fallen from grace a long time ago. It cannot be allowed to spread corruption and suffering for any longer.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then cringe away without debunking anything. Jesuits were tortured and killed by Mexico's Masons long ago. The 'Jesuits' today are JUDAS GOATS. Infiltration started long ago. The Catholic Church is the Synagogue of Satan and Bergoglio is a Marrano Jew pushing noahidism. Only Chabadnik Jews push noahidism and Masons.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Vatican must be taken back from the reign of Judeo-masons.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

First paragraph makes perfect sense to me, I think, even if it's not well phrased. "They" means Jews I take it?

if I could empirically proof that the Holocaust was greatly exaggerated and likewise, I wouldn't mind being proven wrong either.

All it takes is some courage to look. I was ~45 when I actually dared to look at the "Nazi propaganda" because I was more curious about the actual history. Once you actually look at the issues and evidence the skeptics raise you cannot unlearn that and pretend that it's not a huge exaggeration and largely nonsense myth.

 

The second paragraph needs more clarity.

Anyway, you might not believe me but I'm actually worried about you guys and trying to get you to see the big picture.

That's how we (who have weighed in) feel about you.

We have to setup some kind of revolutionary movement eventually because it won't matter how red pilled we get

Agreed, however I wouldn't phrase it like that. Revolution goes around and ends up in the same place. I choose to say "resistance to tyranny" in all forms of authority, great and small and micro. We need more than just a movement - we need perpetual alternatives and solutions.

The Vatican is certainly a big problem, but with Vatican II in the 1960s it's now also a Zionist problem since they've infiltrated and corrupted it. I don't give a shit about religion but people who do care know this to be true. Jay Dyer, Tim Kelly, Myth Of The 20th Century, and atheist Joseph Atwill cover this among countless others.

You guys aren't actually that far away from calling genocide against the Jews over here...

IMO this is very unfair. Do not lump me in with other perspectives on this site just because we all care about freedom of thought. "You guys" would include you too by that measure.

I understand people who may call for that, and I respect their rights to think stupid shit, but I think it's insanity and violence breeds violence on a VERY slippery slope. Self-defense is a VERY problematic wide grey area too and I generally steer clear of it.

You've flipped the issue suggesting we want Jewish genocide when clearly globalist Zionists and the UN is calling for their depopulation agenda to be realized. If you can't even admit that then you may be a lost cause.

I never actually thought about harming the Jews myself and watching you guys spew racist rethoric like this is disturbing

EVIDENCE? I've not said anything racist or violent. What of my "rhetoric" is disturbing? I'm only calling out your blindness and you still refuse to look or see.

I don't like Nazis either (or ANY government) but I can assure you that Hitler was the underdog and the official narrative for WWII is largely bullshit. Hitler (like ALL "leaders") was a psychopath, who (even if the 6 mil was true) paled by comparison to Stalin and Mao - except for the anti-Semitism which magically makes him seem worse.

I don't see why /u/Jesus' opinion on Nat Soc matters. Your past is a curiosity but it's your words here, opinions, views, and actions that matter more to me. Same thing for Jesus and his ideas. Didn't know he was Catholic, or if I did I forgot. Again, it doesn't matter. I'm atheist for what it's worth, but I appreciate the Golden Rule, most teachings of Jesus (man or myth), some of Buddhism (both), Taoism, Zen, and existentialism. I'd be a better person if I could practice those more.

IMO, you need to step back, stop being defensive, and simply look at the picture we're presenting. You don't need to accept it as true. But you need to understand it. If you can understand it then you'll understand us (and clearly you don't). If you understand it you can make up your own mind on what to believe or not and or take time to digest it and even add more for or against different aspects of it.

The Holocaust was my second hardest red pill to swallow. Climate change was MUCH harder for me to understand was a scam. I had faith in the "science" and had never give much stock in counter-narratives that were allegedly "paid by Big Oil". It took me half a year for my heart to catch up to my brain. Just the words "climate change" gave me a knee jerk reaction that we need to stop it - and that took a LONG time to turn into cringe repulsion as it should be for such an epic scam.

You will have to discover your own truths about Zionism in your own way. It won't negate your expertise in Jesuits. It will supplement it, not supplant it.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You've flipped the issue suggesting we want Jewish genocide when clearly globalist Zionists and the UN is calling for their depopulation agenda to be realized. If you can't even admit that then you may be a lost cause.

Useless_aether said that same thing and also said he wanted to deport Muslims from the US. What comes around goes around.

You've flipped the issue suggesting we want Jewish genocide when clearly globalist Zionists and the UN is calling for their depopulation agenda to be realized. If you can't even admit that then you may be a lost cause.

Agreed wholeheartedly. I doubt Hibs will reply back. I hope he does.

I don't like Nazis either (or ANY government) but I can assure you that Hitler was the underdog and the official narrative for WWII is largely bullshit. Hitler (like ALL "leaders") was a psychopath, who (even if the 6 mil was true) paled by comparison to Stalin and Mao - except for the anti-Semitism which magically makes him seem worse.

^ ^ ^ Not a Hitler supporter but the Zionists today who say he was a Rothschild are liars.

See here: https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/801k/i_reject_nazism_because_they_rejected_the/

And I'm still confused what Hibs means by being taught by National Socialists.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Since the modern 'Jesuits' are a synagogue of Satan and today's Jesuits are crypto-Jews who support the Chabadnik noahide agenda, it is safe to say that this is a supremacist Jewish agenda.

radical conspiracism. It doesn't actually make you smarter, it is a very anti-intellectual perspective.

You are sounding more and more like a Zionist.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who did 9/11? Jesuits? You told me awhile back that the neocons were Jesuits. This is simply absurd.

radical conspiracism

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're merely posting RomeRules posts stuck 70 years in the past. Most of these people are not Catholics but Masons. Tens of thousands of Masons and crypto-Jews subverted the church, as both Judeo-masonry is against Catholicism. They won. The CIA is now full of Zionist Jews, Masons and Opus Judei agents. If JFK and RFK had won, they'd have prevented Jewish Zionism from ever taking root.