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[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (82 children)

Sure. But it concerns me that we have to shut down the economy until vaccination rates are sufficient for herd immunity. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines don't have any blood clots or aneurisms associated with them though do they?

And the AstraZeneca was killing around 1 per million, while CoVID kills about 18,000 per million.

So I'd certainly take the Pfizer or Moderna over the Astrazeneca, but if offered any vaccine, it's a no-brainer. You take it.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

we have to shut down the economy until vaccination rates are sufficient for herd immunity.

Says those who stand to gain profits and power from such absurd nonsense.

Humanity has natural bio-defense mechanisms that the corporatocracy is trying to hijack.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Humanity has natural bio-defense mechanisms that the corporatocracy is trying to hijack.

Do you know what proportion of the population was wiped out by the black death? Back when the natural bio-defense mechanisms was what were were fighting pandemics with?

If you guessed something in the 30 to 60 percent range, you are correct.

Modern medicine is much better.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Considering factors such as malnutrition, working conditions, comorbidities, and other things that affect general health and life expectancy, we're lucky to have gotten that far.

Now we look at today, where despite the copious amount of food, it's nutritionally devoid, working conditions are generally more monitored and there are more conveniences but stress is arguably the same, comorbidities are at an apex DUE to the nutritionally devoid garbage that we consume and modern medical methods that treat** but do not cure medical issues and in fact can create further comorbidities--- yeah. We're still lucky with what we've got.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You claim that it wasn't the pandemic but malnutrition that caused the about 50% drop in population during the black death?

And because we have more adequate nutrition in the world today, a pandemic would kill fewer people, even without treating the pandemic?

Is that right?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

No. In fact, none of what you said was what I typed or claimed. Is this the argument tactic where someone purposefully takes everything out of context and then aggressively attempts to make the other person look stupid despite being the stupid one for ignoring all reading comprehension?

I'm not playing games with you. Read what I typed, or don't-- your choice, but don't a) come back at me with aggression, or b) intentionally misconstrue my words to prove whatever point you had. If you're going to do that, you can get fucked.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The Black death killed something like half the population of Europe.

"natural bio-defense mechanisms" are shit. What we need is midterm medicine. Vaccines are the most effective against viruses.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Do you know what proportion of the population was wiped out by the black death? Back when the natural bio-defense mechanisms was what were were fighting pandemics with?

Do you know how much better food, sanitation, and actual science we have these days?

Comparing an actual pandemic from centuries ago to the SCAMdemic of today is like comparing apples to Santa's flying reindeer.

Modern medicine is much better.

Actually, it really depends. Much of modern medicine is equivalent to snake oil on many levels.

Modern propaganda and psychological operations are much better, as you very well know, shill.

[–]StillLessons 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

But it concerns me that we have to shut down the economy until vaccination rates are sufficient for herd immunity.

False logic. Herd immunity will occur whether you vaccinate or not. This has been the lie since the beginning: "If we don't control this bug, it's going to wipe out humanity!" That was never true. This virus - though human designed - still behaved like most pathogens in that its effects were serious in those whose systems were not sufficiently strong to sustain an incremental addition to stress upon them, in other words, the elderly and the sick. Like all viruses, it also has some rare cases where it causes long-term side effects. Influenza does that, too, if you look it up.

But you and your ilk are incapable of recognizing that the human species has dealt with many many many viruses like this in our history, and that within a year or two, allowing the vast majority of people with healthy innate immunity (using the term in its technical sense) to address this bug while protecting the elderly and the sick, this would have been like all the pandemics before it, in the rearview mirror. Covid is endemic to our species now, just like influenza. It has been ever since it left the lab and it was always going to be so, no matter what we did. Until we start learning to live with it rather than wasting untold energy trying to "eradicate" what was never possible to eradicate, we are spitting in the wind.

Vaccination rates will never change the fundamental point I am making here. You will never vaccinate enough for eradication. What level are you after, then?

The particularly criminal part of what you and those like you are selling is that with the fraudulent HCQ study in the Lancet (since retracted), you set in motion a process to actively prevent relatively low-impact treatments of covid patients which many clinicians reported excellent curative results with. Patients died for this.

You then proceed to attempt re-definition of herd immunity to suggest (you are repeating this suggestion here) that it is entirely about vaccination. That is quite simply horseshit. Immunity comes from processes within the human organism which we do not control. Vaccination is just a way to give that human system a preview of what it should be aware is coming. But you are insane. You are now telling people who have had the virus they must get vaccinated. There is absolutely zero immunological logic in this mandate. Post-covid patients' immune systems already recognize the virus from complete exposure. The idea of benefit from your addition of more of a single component of a virus into the system when recovered people have already coded the entire virus (all its components) into their immunological response is patently absurd.

Lie after lie after lie, posing as "science".

You have taken a virus which added a marginal (and by nature temporary, if it had been left alone other than the elderly and the sick) bump in mortality, and you have created a society killing monster. The monster has never been the virus, which is not nearly so exotic as you have attempted to convince people that it is; the monster from day 0 (when Fauci decided we needed to create the damn thing to begin with) has been the human manipulation of the virus itself and then the continuation of that manipulation with the insane society-destructive response you and your friends are responsible for.

Your concern is entirely your own creation.

[–]PostmasterGeneral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

False logic. Herd immunity will occur whether you vaccinate or not.

Not necessarily. It's perfectly possible that CoVID-19 becomes endemic.

This has been the lie since the beginning: "If we don't control this bug, it's going to wipe out humanity!"

I'm not aware of that lie. Who's been telling that lie?

This virus - though human designed -

Human designed? Designed to do what?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

"I'm not aware of that lie. Who's been telling that lie?"

Literally every major institution and corporation that's tied to the corrupt financial centers of the world, which are most of them.

"Human designed? Designed to do what?"

To frighten bootlickers and stay at home mothers, and make elderly folks die at a quicker rate than what's been normal for the past few generations. It's designed to take out old traditionalists, and create a situation where they can further erode our rights and freedoms under the guise of safety.

You are an amateur.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

To frighten bootlickers and stay at home mothers, and make elderly folks die at a quicker rate than what's been normal for the past few generations. It's designed to take out old traditionalists, and create a situation where they can further erode our rights and freedoms under the guise of safety.

Okay, that's a broad answer.

Lets start with the first point.

What is the benefit of frightening bootlickers?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Are you having trouble reading? I said it right after my snarky remark. To create a situation where they can further erode our rights and freedoms away under the guise of safety.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

To create a situation where they can further erode our rights and freedoms away under the guise of safety.

How does frightened bootlickers create that situation, do you claim?

While I'm trying to understand what your position is, why don't you also let me which "humans" you claim "designed" the virus?

And what what aspects of the virus were decided upon during this "design"?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Dude, you barely take the time to read your own comments before you respond.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you can present no justification at all for someone wanting to frighten bootlickers, you can't say who has designed the virus, and you don't have anything that the virus does due to this design?