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[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

Not all researchers agree on all things, much less to promote climate change, faked or not.

"Denialism" is extremist rhetoric to shut down discussion about things like exaggerations with the Holocaust narrative or the climate change scam and vaccine skeptics. Authentic science is about open discussion. Everything else is the "scientism" dogma a blind-faith in corrupt "experts", corporations, government, and media - all proven liars for profit$.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Not all researchers agree on all things

Agreed.

much less to promote climate change

"promote" climate change? What's that when it's research?

faked or not.

Faked?

"Denialism" is extremist rhetoric to shut down discussion about things like exaggerations with the Holocaust narrative or the climate change scam and vaccine skeptics.

It's a word to differentiate between engaging in an informed discussion and people just repeating a falsehood without legitimate evidence.

Authentic science is about open discussion.

Yeah but there's limits to how open you should be when there's large groups of amateurs demanding that the facts are wrong.

Allowing flat earthers to talk at a cartography conference is just going to waste everybody's time, and reduce the usefulness of the conference for sharing of advances in the field that have been made.

Similarly, there's no benefit in engaging in a scientific discussion people who claim that the greenhouse effect doesn't work, or that the world's not warming, or the CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas.

Neither is it useful to allow the discussions on vaccines to include the view that vaccines cause autism.

Nor should the WTO or united nations spend time discussing whether the world is run by lizard aliens.

all proven liars for profit$.

Certainly vaccine and climate science denialism comes from Wakefield, who had an interest in a competitor vaccine to the MMR Vaccine and by fossil fuel interests.

But not all reporting of science is manipulation of facts. And nearly no science done by mainstream academic or research institutions is dishonest. You don't progress a career in science very well by being refuted all the time.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

You're shilling like socks.

Try skepticism instead of binary language like "denialism". Be skeptical of all "facts", yours and theirs and everyones.

Vaccines ARE problematic. Pretending they aren't is absurd. Every. Single. Food. Has people who are allergic to it. Why wouldn't vaccines have the same issue? Get real.

Skepticism is not denialism. Check your words.

You don't progress a career in science very well by being refuted all the time.

You don't progress science very well by being a career yes-man all the time.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Vaccines ARE problematic. Pretending they aren't is absurd. Every. Single. Food. Has people who are allergic to it. Why wouldn't vaccines have the same issue? Get real.

People get allergic reactions sometimes. They solicit an immune response, which can bring out underlying issues and initiate an autoimmune disorder.

But they confer immunity to a disease.

None of which I denied above. What I said is that they do not cause autism.

Skepticism is not denialism. Check your words.

I'm not using them as synonyms.

Skepticism is a pro-scientific movement that I strongly support. Some of the highest profile skeptics in the world at the moment contribute to the "Science-based medicine" blog, that has many articles on vaccines. Particularly relevant is Legislatures and litigation: anti-vaxxers continue attacks on COVID mitigation

Denialism is different. It requires flatly not accepting one or many scientific truths, even after having them pointed out.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

But they confer immunity to a disease.

Allegedly. There's no shortage of professionals who are challenging the fundamental presumptions of all this "established" scientism.

Further the "vaccines" they're pushing on the populace are not even vaccines. They are experimental injections that claim to relieve symptoms. Worse is the push for them to be mandatory with absolutely no proof they work nor are effective nor that the lockdown or freedoms are remotely tied to this scamdemic.

If I don't have symptoms then I don't need relief from them. Why take a chance for nothing to gain?

Denialism is different. It requires flatly not accepting one or many scientific truths, even after having them pointed out.

It's good you recognize the difference, however there is a problem with "scientific truths".

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

There's no shortage of professionals who are challenging the fundamental presumptions of all this "established" scientism.

Okay ... can you link me to a few of the most convincing of these?

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

There's no shortage of counter-scientism content in these subs:
/s/CorruptScience
/s/ClimateSkeptics
/s/Coronavirus
/s/VaccineSkepticism
/s/VaccineInjuries
/s/LockdownSkepticism
/s/FoodCrises
/s/FuckMasks
/s/ResistanceAnalysis
/s/CultureWars
/s/ClassWar
/s/Corporatocracy
/s/Technocracy
/s/Surveillance
/s/Agenda21_Agenda2030
/s/Tyranny

If you want the best videos I know of to get the widest contextual understanding of the forces behind all the chaos check out the videos in this comment.

/s/CriticalThoughts/comments/7f6v/dr_david_james_carswell_my_father_died_of_covid/ryxb

Even if you do not believe all the well supported and documented content at least you'll be better able to debate folks who actually find these to be the best overall explanations of why things are they way they are.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

There's no shortage of counter-scientism content in these subs:

Right. But you claimed "professionals".

Can you link me to a few of these professionals who are challenging the fundamental "presumptions" of established science?

It's the evidence based reasoning i'm interested in.

Specifically with respect to vaccines not conferring immunity would be on point.

If you want the best videos I know of to get the widest contextual understanding of the forces behind all the chaos check out the videos in this comment.

No, I'm more of the best scholarly literature that you know of kind of person. Have you got anything with that sort of rigour?

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Can you link me to a few of these professionals who are challenging the fundamental "presumptions" of established science?

Not today timesuck.

Do your own research. There's no shortage of professionals in the content I've shared. I recommend you start with The Last American Vagabond. Stop being a lazy nay-sayer.

No, I'm more of the best scholarly literature that you know of kind of person. Have you got anything with that sort of rigour?

You didn't even look at them. They have rigour and citations for you to follow up with and lead on further paths of discovery.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I recommend you start with The Last American Vagabond. Stop being a lazy nay-sayer.

I found a website by that name.

A quick glance shows set's off my bullshit detector.

"As always, take the information discussed in the video below and research it for yourself, and come to your own conclusions. Anyone telling you what the truth is, or claiming they have the answer, is likely leading you astray, for one reason or another. Stay Vigilant."

Thanks for the waste of time mate, but there are sources of information that are researched and accurate.

You didn't even look at them.

Well I have now. Not very impressive are they.