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[–]Jesus 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Many scholars think Hitler didn't do it and it was indeed communists. I don't really think they needed to do it when Hitler was already in power.

90% believed in the Nazi workers party because they believed that they would prevent usury, speculation and revamp the economy which was in utter ruin. They partly were successful.

The problem with nazism is it's racial naturalism and eugenics. They planned on destroying the Church had they won the war.

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Excellent points. Moreover - if Hitler was involved (as he may have been aware and approving) there were important members of his party who were the one's much more in control of promoting the party. Hitler often gets credit as a kind of mastermind, but he was nothing without these party leaders and his advisors. He was of course extremely helpful. But think for a moment about the work of Himmler, Goebbels and Göring in the 1930s, just to name a few.

Also, many in Europe believed in Social Darwinism (which isn't really Darwin's interest) in the 1930s (as I am sure you know; and this is a culmination of 19th century eugenics &c; there was also an important journal, called Eugenics (or similar). Many also believed that the homosexuals, communists, enemies of the state, mentally ill, gypsies, and Jews were not good Germans and were not natural members of the German state. This was not just a Nazi belief, but a nationalist trend all over Europe (for their own countries).

The main problem with Nazism - I'd argue - is the mass murder of prisoners, as this was explicitly against the peace treaties of the time. Imprisoning millions of people was not explicitly against international law. Other problems with Nazism is the control of the news media, the cancelation of free speech, and many other problems.

(I'll also respond to your other posts this weekend.)

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Excellent points. Moreover - if Hitler was involved (as he may have been aware and approving) there were important members of his party who were the one's much more in control of promoting the party. Hitler often gets credit as a kind of mastermind, but he was nothing without these party leaders and his advisors.

But what got him his support was his tremendous oratory speeches and the poor financial situation in which the common German suffered. He brought anti-Jewishness to the forefront which wasn't entirely false in regards to the 21,000 Jews behind Bolshevism. But even weirder, 125,000 Jews fought for the reich and Goebbels I believe married a Jewess. Without Hitler, the Nazi party would have remained in the confines of Thulology and ancient ruin studies. Of course, Hitler despised those things in Mein Kampf. I'm sure his military career taught him nationalistic leadership.

He was of course extremely helpful. But think for a moment about the work of Himmler, Goebbels and Göring in the 1930s, just to name a few.

Or Rosenberg; Feder, and his pupils such as Walther Funk who took over the position of Schact.

Also, many in Europe believed in Social Darwinism (which isn't really Darwin's interest) in the 1930s (as I am sure you know; and this is a culmination of 19th century eugenics &c; there was also an important journal, called Eugenics (or similar).

Indeed. And such eugenics movements were not started by Hitler & c., but by Fabian Socialists, the British Royal society, leaders in the US and the Basel Zionist congresses.

Many also believed that the homosexuals, communists, enemies of the state, mentally ill, gypsies, and Jews were not good Germans and were not natural members of the German state.

They believed that they were partly the cause of the degeneracy and decrepitness that spread all over Germany. This was a time when there was a very high suicide rate and tremendous hardship among the rural working class.

The mentally ill euthanasia program was to combat the would be shortage of supplies for well fit (social darwinism and company 101) members of the reich. Very anti-Christian attitudes towards the unfit and weak. Though, this still goes on today but to a leaser extent and such targeting of the mentally ill was an agenda in many countries unfortunately.

This was not just a Nazi belief, but a nationalist trend all over Europe (for their own countries).

I would say it has little to do with Nationalism and more to do with naturalism over the supernatural.

The main problem with Nazism - I'd argue - is the mass murder of prisoners, as this was explicitly against the peace treaties of the time.

Feder's thesis on what the National Socialist party entailed best describes the National Socialist view. Feder had many good points... though he never mentions the murder of the mentally ill but focuses more on helping the weak German and giving the old German a pension to survive; all, of course, in the context of ethnic cohesiveness of their defined German at the expense of their subjects who were not under their definition. In one point, Feder mentions the NS obligation to execute all speculators, usurers and those who profit off of another German's suffering. So, the left leaning Feder did advocate murder of speculators. Which I do not condone, but I can understand why so many Nazis thought this way.

Imprisoning millions of people was not explicitly against international law.

Indeed, that is true. Though such imprisonments had to follow certain international laws and good quarters. I believe the red cross visited many German concentration camps.

I'm told that 4.5 million people (Jews) were gassed at Auschwitz but this number just is not believable and dated photos have come to light showing Jews playing soccer and swimming in a pool 10' where Jews were allegedly systemically murdered via gas at that very time. Many stories have come out two of which from different victims mentioning that they saw nazis kill Jews shread them up and re sow them back into the soccer ball and play soccer. Both of these stories were lies but interesting that camp survivors would claim this. I do think there was considerable persecution but I also think the Holocaustianity that has become the 'Zionist' Incorporated religion is used more as propaganda for modern geopolitical agendas.

Other problems with Nazism is the control of the news media, the cancelation of free speech, and many other problems. (I'll also respond to your other posts this weekend.)

Because they believed the media was taken over by Jews. In so, they believed that their way was the right way so they sacked the monopoly Jews had on German media. Not hard to understand but was it right to suppress freedom of speech? Speech was accepted under the promise that no one would question the legitimacy of the state or try to destroy it, which Hitler warned the Catholic Church about.

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Thanks for this, and the last line reminds me that I forgot to include clergy in the list of people sent to camps. Almost 3000 supposedly parished in the camps, if not more. Excellent points in the rest of this. And as you may have seen, even Haaretz is reporting the genocide of Palestinians these days: https://saidit.net/s/censorship/comments/7puq/testimonies_from_the_censored_deir_yassin/

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Naturalism vs supernaturalism. That simple. Zionists and nazis are in the former camps.