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[–]Jesus 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Many scholars think Hitler didn't do it and it was indeed communists. I don't really think they needed to do it when Hitler was already in power.

90% believed in the Nazi workers party because they believed that they would prevent usury, speculation and revamp the economy which was in utter ruin. They partly were successful.

The problem with nazism is it's racial naturalism and eugenics. They planned on destroying the Church had they won the war.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

During the Nuremberg trials, a General named Franz Halder testified that in the 1930s, Herman Goering admitted to orchestrating the destruction of the Reichstag.

[–]pcpmasterrace 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The same Nuremberg Trials where it was proven that four million Jews were gassed to death at Auschwitz?

[–]bjam27 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

6 million and there's absolute proof numpty.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bjam... yiu can't even get the gassed numbers right.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Theres no reason to believe that Halder was lying. Anyway, its not like the Nazis were above committing false flag attacks. They attacked their own radio station at Gleiwitz on the first day of WW2.

[–]beece 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Have you not been watching what the media has been doing here for the last 4 years? Why would you expect them to be honest back then? Are you aware that one of only 2 NKVD agents to escape to the west, Victor Suvurov, says that it was the Poles who attacked that station, and they were not germans dressed up to be poles like the "news" said back then.

[–]Whonose 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you being sarcastic?

[–]beece 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is this the same Nuremburg trials where 132 of the 134 accused had their testicles crushed as part of the "pre-trial examination? and often testified to doing things that were demonstrably false by everyones admission? "

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nuremberg trials were a sham though. People were tortured for the answer that the torturer wanted. It was merely a "tell us what we want to hear and we won't off you."

[–]bjam27 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

It was admitted it was the Nazis. Leave the revisionist history on Reddit.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, not at all.

[–]Horrux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't think so. Hitler held closely to good Christian values.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Read OSS report on the National Socialist plan to deatroy the church.

If you want to read a decent summary on the good and bad of Hitler and an analyses on Judaism/masonic naturalism the Denis Fahey is a must.

Unfortunately, I thought that Hitler was a Christian as well. He wasn't but I am reading a book written by a Jew on how Hitler might have re-instituted the church in its glory but then we have the detailed OSS report that details the exact opposite.

[–]Horrux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't take anybody else's word on anything.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You don't have to... I understand where you're coming from, which is why I recommended Denis Fahey's books.

[–]HibikiBlack 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

My own theory is that a civil war happened among the members of the church. After the death of the black pope, Himmler became too powerful. Perhaps Himmler was already rogue before that, or was even involved in his death.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We are talking about the war in Germany right?

Himmler certainly wasn't Christian and I know from reading that many Nazis were against Hitler. There were all types of National Socialists.

[–]socks 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Excellent points. Moreover - if Hitler was involved (as he may have been aware and approving) there were important members of his party who were the one's much more in control of promoting the party. Hitler often gets credit as a kind of mastermind, but he was nothing without these party leaders and his advisors. He was of course extremely helpful. But think for a moment about the work of Himmler, Goebbels and Göring in the 1930s, just to name a few.

Also, many in Europe believed in Social Darwinism (which isn't really Darwin's interest) in the 1930s (as I am sure you know; and this is a culmination of 19th century eugenics &c; there was also an important journal, called Eugenics (or similar). Many also believed that the homosexuals, communists, enemies of the state, mentally ill, gypsies, and Jews were not good Germans and were not natural members of the German state. This was not just a Nazi belief, but a nationalist trend all over Europe (for their own countries).

The main problem with Nazism - I'd argue - is the mass murder of prisoners, as this was explicitly against the peace treaties of the time. Imprisoning millions of people was not explicitly against international law. Other problems with Nazism is the control of the news media, the cancelation of free speech, and many other problems.

(I'll also respond to your other posts this weekend.)

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Excellent points. Moreover - if Hitler was involved (as he may have been aware and approving) there were important members of his party who were the one's much more in control of promoting the party. Hitler often gets credit as a kind of mastermind, but he was nothing without these party leaders and his advisors.

But what got him his support was his tremendous oratory speeches and the poor financial situation in which the common German suffered. He brought anti-Jewishness to the forefront which wasn't entirely false in regards to the 21,000 Jews behind Bolshevism. But even weirder, 125,000 Jews fought for the reich and Goebbels I believe married a Jewess. Without Hitler, the Nazi party would have remained in the confines of Thulology and ancient ruin studies. Of course, Hitler despised those things in Mein Kampf. I'm sure his military career taught him nationalistic leadership.

He was of course extremely helpful. But think for a moment about the work of Himmler, Goebbels and Göring in the 1930s, just to name a few.

Or Rosenberg; Feder, and his pupils such as Walther Funk who took over the position of Schact.

Also, many in Europe believed in Social Darwinism (which isn't really Darwin's interest) in the 1930s (as I am sure you know; and this is a culmination of 19th century eugenics &c; there was also an important journal, called Eugenics (or similar).

Indeed. And such eugenics movements were not started by Hitler & c., but by Fabian Socialists, the British Royal society, leaders in the US and the Basel Zionist congresses.

Many also believed that the homosexuals, communists, enemies of the state, mentally ill, gypsies, and Jews were not good Germans and were not natural members of the German state.

They believed that they were partly the cause of the degeneracy and decrepitness that spread all over Germany. This was a time when there was a very high suicide rate and tremendous hardship among the rural working class.

The mentally ill euthanasia program was to combat the would be shortage of supplies for well fit (social darwinism and company 101) members of the reich. Very anti-Christian attitudes towards the unfit and weak. Though, this still goes on today but to a leaser extent and such targeting of the mentally ill was an agenda in many countries unfortunately.

This was not just a Nazi belief, but a nationalist trend all over Europe (for their own countries).

I would say it has little to do with Nationalism and more to do with naturalism over the supernatural.

The main problem with Nazism - I'd argue - is the mass murder of prisoners, as this was explicitly against the peace treaties of the time.

Feder's thesis on what the National Socialist party entailed best describes the National Socialist view. Feder had many good points... though he never mentions the murder of the mentally ill but focuses more on helping the weak German and giving the old German a pension to survive; all, of course, in the context of ethnic cohesiveness of their defined German at the expense of their subjects who were not under their definition. In one point, Feder mentions the NS obligation to execute all speculators, usurers and those who profit off of another German's suffering. So, the left leaning Feder did advocate murder of speculators. Which I do not condone, but I can understand why so many Nazis thought this way.

Imprisoning millions of people was not explicitly against international law.

Indeed, that is true. Though such imprisonments had to follow certain international laws and good quarters. I believe the red cross visited many German concentration camps.

I'm told that 4.5 million people (Jews) were gassed at Auschwitz but this number just is not believable and dated photos have come to light showing Jews playing soccer and swimming in a pool 10' where Jews were allegedly systemically murdered via gas at that very time. Many stories have come out two of which from different victims mentioning that they saw nazis kill Jews shread them up and re sow them back into the soccer ball and play soccer. Both of these stories were lies but interesting that camp survivors would claim this. I do think there was considerable persecution but I also think the Holocaustianity that has become the 'Zionist' Incorporated religion is used more as propaganda for modern geopolitical agendas.

Other problems with Nazism is the control of the news media, the cancelation of free speech, and many other problems. (I'll also respond to your other posts this weekend.)

Because they believed the media was taken over by Jews. In so, they believed that their way was the right way so they sacked the monopoly Jews had on German media. Not hard to understand but was it right to suppress freedom of speech? Speech was accepted under the promise that no one would question the legitimacy of the state or try to destroy it, which Hitler warned the Catholic Church about.

[–]socks 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for this, and the last line reminds me that I forgot to include clergy in the list of people sent to camps. Almost 3000 supposedly parished in the camps, if not more. Excellent points in the rest of this. And as you may have seen, even Haaretz is reporting the genocide of Palestinians these days: https://saidit.net/s/censorship/comments/7puq/testimonies_from_the_censored_deir_yassin/

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Naturalism vs supernaturalism. That simple. Zionists and nazis are in the former camps.

[–]wristaction 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There is no logical route through that statement. Nothing connects the first sentence with the second apart from the words "even then".

[–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

The deep state tried to do something similar with the recent mess created because of the elections in the US. A lot of them were frustrated because nothing big enough happened like to justify the "state of emergency".

It's a psyop in order to draw the alt-right out and make them do something stupid in order to justify further measures. Once they get rid of the conservative right, traditional Catholics and the neo-nazis there will be no one left to seriously oppose the Jesuit technocracy.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah. It was just a small Zionist/Haredi PsyOp for the nation.

[–]JoeyJoeJoe 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Don't forget about Operation Northwoods.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Kennedy turned it down.

[–]pcpmasterrace 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

believed whatever government told them

Like that the Germans had an extermination program targeted at minorities toward the end of WW2?

[–]socks 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If I remember correctly (I could be wrong, and there are histories by biased historians that might say otherwise), Germans were informed by the government that the Homosexuals, Communists, enemies of the state, mentally ill, gypsies, and Jews were sent on trains to camps, until further notice. The German population may have known that some of these people were convicted of higher crimes and given the death penalty. But there was no official government document - or government-supported newspaper article - directed at the general public that admitted to the extermination or mass murder of these prisoners. I think this would have been explicitly against previous peace treaties, and it was not useful as government propaganda.

[–]bjam27 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Dachau was opened in tbr early 30s and was located IN MUNICH. Germans all knew of the holocaust they're just disgusting evil people.

[–]socks 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

[–]pcpmasterrace 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a crematorium and delousing chamber at Ellis Island. Is this evidence of mass murder at Ellis Island? Or, are these facilities exactly what you would expect to find if one was trying to minimize the spread of disease in a cramped environment?

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And the gassings were atrocity propaganda just like the soccer ball, lamp shade, tiny mannequin, bear and eagle, road mixer and missile testing strapped to the backs of Jews stories.

There was persecution but the Holocaust is mostly exaggerated and a travesty. Secondly, concentration camps existed for communist Bolsheviks and other "undesirables" the state deemed dangerous to the health of the nation. The camps were set up to make/create work. Terrible, yes. Only in latter years were Jews for their "race" thrown into these camps, mostly to transfer to the east.

There was no mass extermination program. The six million figure makes little sense. Probably 1 million died due to either persecution or typhus. Terrible but the Holocaust narrative is merely a narrative for modern day Zionist propaganda, endless reparations, and hatred directed at Germans as a whole.

[–]socks 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And it would help if there were a new commission to assess all of the numbers and records without obvious bias.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well that can't happen. People who assess such numbers are thrown in jail or fined in many countries.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They didn't. That was Soviet and ally atrocity propaganda. There was still persecution and probably close to a million died in the camps mostly from Typhus.

[–]pcpmasterrace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A "Holocaust" that does not make.

[–]Horrux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

But Hitler was right and did whatever he did, not saying he did or did not participate in doing the Reichstag fire, for the good of his people. Authoritarianism is necessary for a true leader to accomplish his vision. Look at Putin. Many people disagree with him, his views and his methods, but IMHO his results speak for themselves. A man with a vision holding authority of leadership is all it takes for the success of a nation. The dude doesn't need to be a mega-genius, or perfect in everybody's eyes. Nobody meets that standard.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm no Nazi but I do find it curious how people love to compare forced vaccinations to Hitler when Nazis had hundreds of propaganda calling vaccinations a Jewish conspiracy. Makes sense, however, because various radical Jews called for mass sterilisation of the German people.

[–]pcpmasterrace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you have examples?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Twitter. Just users posting memes of forced vaccinations and Hitler's face.

As for examples of Nazi propaganda directed against Vaccines. Yes I have examples saved locally. Hold on... I'll find a few.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

[–]bjam27 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Germans are the world's biggest sheep. China and Germany are to blame for this lockdown bullshit.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a German Hoaxster who made up the hoax criteria, for the hoax testing method.

Neil Ferguson from the UK is a primary death scare Hoaxster.

China ended the lockdown last April, because it's a hoax.
Their Hoaxsters were stopping dead in the streets.

Amateurs.

[–]socks 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because?: we want to develop fallacies with historical events, use false equivalence arguments? You've also not noted what you compare the Reichtag Fire with.

[–]wristaction 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It looks like really clumsy deradicalizing propaganda to me.

[–]cisheteroscum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wish our Reichstag would catch on fire