Many many people are so proud to be getting their "1st dose" of some unnecessary experimental mystery shot

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[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

A VAERS search for all reported adverse reactions from COVID-19 vaccines shows 50,716 people reporting side-effects. Even assuming every person reporting is reporting something that's serious (the vast majority aren't), the US has administered 165M vaccinations so far. That's a reported incidence rate of 0.031%, far lower than even the fatality rate in even the most protected demographics for COVID-19.

I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself will now admit you were wrong to use VAERS as a source for your claim that the vaccines are more dangerous than COVID-19 infection.

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=842D3148ECE6693409D0EEAD3A51?stage=results&action=sort&direction=MEASURE_DESCEND&measure=D8.M1

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

You're referring to the illness that is so deadly, that almost everyone who has it, needed to go get a test to know they already had it.

Did you watch the video that shows how entries were being removed from the VAERS list?

So it appears that the entries are somehow being manipulated, and removed.

A harvard study conclusively demonstrated that only 1% of wax related injuries/deaths are reported, so whatever is reported is a tiny fraction of what's actually occurring.

Additionally, the WHO (and also Gavi IIRC) committed to having an injury/side-effects monitoring program in place prior to the rollout of the experimental injectable gene therapy, but this never materialized.
Par for the course, because there's an aggressive campaign to suppress the actual information about the actual risks, and facts.

You may have heard about this campaign.

I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself will now admit you were wrong to use VAERS as a source for your claim that the vaccines are more dangerous than COVID-19 infection.

For the reasons stated above, I'm sure a reasonable person like yourself would recognize the industry PR/PROFIT motive behind this data manipulation.

Do you have any comments on the WHO reporting that the alleged pandemic illness is only as deadly as Influenza?

WHO (Accidentally) Confirms Covid is No More Dangerous Than Flu Head of Health Emergencies Program “best estimates” put IFR at 0.14%

I'm sure a reasonable person would agree that the reaction to this nominally serious illness is heavy handed, and should be ended immediately.

The WHO could be considered an authority on this issue, correct?

One would think that a reasonable person would not want to participate in an experimental gene therapy; based on nominal severity of this common illness.
Common, because millions have tested positive without showing symptoms.

[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

You haven't responded to anything I've said. I can only assume you've abandoned your argument as some kind of self-defense tactic your aging boomer mind grasped onto to avoid having to address the flaws in what you were claiming.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

You haven't responded to anything I've said.

Your position is predicated on the notion that this alleged pandemic is based on a "novel" new disease with no natural resistance, and no medical knowledge, or treatments.

Point #1: The WHO has admitted that whatever is going around is not any more lethal then influenza.

You have repeatedly ignored this fact, so it's safe to assume that you aren't disputing the findings of the WHO.

Point #2: There are numerous readily available medications and therapy options that don't require injecting an irreversible gene therapy.
The injectable gene therapy you are pushing is completely unnecessary.
It doesn't reduce any infectious spread, and the evidence of reduction in symptoms is superfluous.

Each of these two points fundamentally undermines your position.

A recap:
* Healthy people have natural immune response, and can naturally recover.
* Only the extremely frail or extremely sick are at any risk of death.*
* This is not a particularly deadly disease.
* Highly successful treatment options already exist, and are readily available.

Feel free to take as many experimental injectable gene therapies as you want.

Every individual person has the right to informed consent.

There's no reason to continue this discussion with you.

I can only assume you've abandoned your argument as some kind of self-defense tactic your aging boomer mind grasped onto to avoid having to address the flaws in what you were claiming.

The personal attack is unwarranted, and undermines your position (which is highly dubious).

I wish you the best of luck with all of your experimental injectable gene therapies.

May God bless you.

[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Your position is predicated on the notion that this alleged pandemic is based on a "novel" new disease with no natural resistance, and no medical knowledge, or treatments.

No it isn't. SARS-CoV-2 is a coronavirus, which a great deal is known about, and is similar to SARS-CoV-1 and MERS. But I never made any statements whatsoever regarding natural resistance. And I'd be the first one to acknowledge the treatments we've developed to fight it, such as supplemental oxygen, Vitamin D, zinc, Remdesivir, monoclonal antibody treatments, dexamethasone, famotidine, and melatonin.

Point #1: The WHO has admitted that whatever is going around is not any more lethal then influenza.

The IFR of COVID-19 is many times greater than influenza, especially for old people and those with comorbidities. Like 5%+ for those aged 65+, and with nasty long-term health implications for a fairly substantial percentage of those infected across all age ranges.

Point #2: There are numerous readily available medications and therapy options that don't require injecting an irreversible gene therapy.

I didn't say there weren't.

Really you're getting more and more incoherent, boomer, and trying to claw yourself further and further away from your indefensible argument regarding VAERS data, to which I directly linked you.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

K.

The IFR of COVID-19 is many times greater than influenza

Well, the WHO data says it's less deadly, so take it up with them.

Good luck being experimented on, because you will have no legal recourse. None.

These gene therapy manufacturers cannot be sued for any damages, so you're 100% on your own.

Maybe you have a wise boomer relative who can spoon feed you in your wheelchair.

Good luck with all of that, and may God bless you.

[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

  1. You've previously said to not trust the WHO

  2. The WHO have said, along with numerous other organizations and independent researchers, that the IFR of COVID-19 is many times greater than the flu.

Good luck being experimented on, because you will have no legal recourse. None.

When you agree to be vaccinated you agree to the terms of the EUA, which means immunity for the corporations that made the vaccines. If you don't accept that, don't get the vaccine until it has full approval in some months. Advise others to do the same all you wish, but you won't convince rational people unless you can formulate rational arguments that can withstand basic scrutiny.

These gene therapy manufacturers cannot be sued for any damages, so you're 100% on your own.

I never said otherwise, though it's not gene therapy

Maybe you have a wise boomer relative who can spoon feed you in your wheelchair.

You've offered not even a hint of evidence that the vaccines could do this, and have continuously retreated from all your past arguments when challenged and given specific counter-claims that were then your duty to rebut, but you did not. Why should I take this claim any more seriously?

Good luck with all of that, and may God bless you.

If you have my best interests at heart you are duty-bound to take this argument seriously and not continually abandoned your previous lines of reasoning, and actually address my counter-claims. For if you believe what you say, you could save my life by mustering an actual defense that's grounded in evidence and medical observation.

Instead, I've used your own sources, like VAERS, against you, showing that what you were claiming about the vaccine side effects has not been recorded, as you claimed.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Thanks for the robot response.

It's obvious that you're a bot.

Anyone with a grey cell would have moved on.

[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

It's nice to see you have such an opinion of your own value about as low as I've come to conclude

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

That's nice to know, because insults from shills are a form of high praise.