Carl Jung and his interpretation of alchemy.

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Well, it's possible to make a decision and then follow it, but you're probably talking about something entirely different. What exactly are you trying to argue with?

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

1) you stated the non conscious mind was not active. It quite demonstrably is

2) you stated conscious awareness did not always follow non-conscious action. It quite demonstrably does, apart from transtemporal states, where time no longer dictates position. Apart from that, you only ever become aware of the actions of mind, including choices, after the action, or choice. Lots of science on that if you look.

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you stated the non conscious mind was not active. It quite demonstrably is

If we separate the mind into the conscious, sub-conscious and non-conscious, than the non-conscious would be the part that isn't being processed right now.

you stated conscious awareness did not always follow non-conscious action

In this system, awareness would follow sub-conscious action, not non-conscious.

Apart from that, you only ever become aware of the actions of mind, including choices, after the action, or choice.

Well, yes, but if we retrain the subconscious to only provide one type of input, our conscious activity becomes very predictable.

transtemporal states, where time no longer dictates position

What is this? Something acting as if it exists in all positions, for a duration of time?

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If we separate the mind into the conscious, sub-conscious and non-conscious, than the non-conscious would be the part that isn't being processed right now.

ok, that's a definition that you made up, and most of us go with conscious and non-conscious. The idea that the brain has to have some level of conscious awareness of its functions for them to occur is faulty. Your cerebellum is highly active, full of timing circuits, and that is not considered 'sub-conscious'. Your heart rate, sweating and breathing etc is managed by your medulla, and again is not considered 'sub conscious'. Both are non-conscious systems that continue to function even when your consciousness is entirely absent,

In this system, awareness would follow sub-conscious action, not non-conscious.

Again, terminalogical nightmare, dude. When you catch a ball, the signals go from your eye, via your occipital cortex, to your cerebellum. no conscious invovlement whatsoever. the movement of your arm to catch the ball is entirely non-conscious, not sub conscious.

You need to get up to speed with the current linguistic norms in neuroscience if you want to have a conversation that has any meaning beyond your own ego.

Well, yes, but if we retrain the subconscious to only provide one type of input, our conscious activity becomes very predictable.

That's 'moving the goal posts' to nowhereville.

transtemporal states are like the time crystals of conscious awareness. Ritual, mediation etc produce standing waves of neural activity, where your conscious awareness breaks free of the tight timing circuits of the dorsal raphe loop and tunes into resonant patterns in sensory input and internal creations.

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terminalogical nightmare

This post is a link to a site about Jung. I tried using terms from that site for easier communication. Well.

moving the goal posts

Do we have a goal? You argue about something I haven't said, I keep replying hoping you'd say something interesting.

your conscious awareness breaks free of the tight timing circuits

It doesn't "break free". It relies on the non-conscious to support its activity. Its activity affects the non-conscious. To "break free", we have to properly train the non-conscious. Because we don't get freed from it, we just unify all its parts under one goal. Teach them to do one thing and ignore all distractions. A strong new distraction should still be able to destroy this freedom and bring the conscious back. A physical change in the structure of our non-conscious should be able to do the same.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

it relies on the non-conscious to support its activity.

Have you switched to neuroscientist language now? because if you haven't that makes no sense compared to your previous words. Sorry if my language wasn't that of Jung. Thank you for letting me know where you are coming from. I'll go and read and find common ground.

transtemporal patterns do 'break free'. they are the fundamental mechanism behind mystical systems from a variety of cultures. The Jewish 'merkahbah' describes an object that only exists in 5d brain states. if you ever want to be more than meat, then turning off the slicing of perception by attenuation and damping circuits is a must.