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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Our consciousness is just a hub where different subconscious subminds share their most important content. It can't be united with anything, we can only help our subconscious subminds synchronize. The nonconscious is just all parts of the brain that are currently inactive, nothing special about it.

The mind, naturally, monitors and influences the world. It sends and receives streams of energy, builds models of their potential sources. All cool internal alchemy techniques come from isolating what is natural.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The nonconscious is just all parts of the brain that are currently inactive, nothing special about it.

nonsense, the brain is always on. the tiny beam of conscious awareness is always lagging behind the non conscious activity

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

nonsense, the brain is always on

Inactive because they don't have a role in the current movement of the mind; may degrade and disappear if such situation continues. Doesn't mean they're dead.

the tiny beam of conscious awareness is always lagging behind the non conscious activity

Maybe, but it can be reduced to the extent when the time is not simply accelerated, but is completely skipped. Subconscious processes may continue, but there is nothing to experience.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Inactive because they don't have a role in the current movement of the mind; may degrade and disappear if such situation continues. Doesn't mean they're dead.

Ok. i need to know where you are coming from, because I'm a published neuroscientist and to me, what you are saying is utter CRAP

Maybe, but it can be reduced to the extent when the time is not simply accelerated, but is completely skipped. Subconscious processes may continue, but there is nothing to experience.

Again, nonsense. We've done plenty of studies to determine the 'consciousness delay', and awareness always follows neural activity

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

i need to know where you are coming from

Personal experience.

awareness always follows neural activity

But not all of it at the same time.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So you have no actual science to back up your statements....

Describe a case where conscious awareness precedes or is co-incident with the action it is aware of....

there's a single case that i'm aware of, from my own research. but I doubt you'll be able to name one. prove me wrong.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Well, it's possible to make a decision and then follow it, but you're probably talking about something entirely different. What exactly are you trying to argue with?

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

1) you stated the non conscious mind was not active. It quite demonstrably is

2) you stated conscious awareness did not always follow non-conscious action. It quite demonstrably does, apart from transtemporal states, where time no longer dictates position. Apart from that, you only ever become aware of the actions of mind, including choices, after the action, or choice. Lots of science on that if you look.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

you stated the non conscious mind was not active. It quite demonstrably is

If we separate the mind into the conscious, sub-conscious and non-conscious, than the non-conscious would be the part that isn't being processed right now.

you stated conscious awareness did not always follow non-conscious action

In this system, awareness would follow sub-conscious action, not non-conscious.

Apart from that, you only ever become aware of the actions of mind, including choices, after the action, or choice.

Well, yes, but if we retrain the subconscious to only provide one type of input, our conscious activity becomes very predictable.

transtemporal states, where time no longer dictates position

What is this? Something acting as if it exists in all positions, for a duration of time?

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If we separate the mind into the conscious, sub-conscious and non-conscious, than the non-conscious would be the part that isn't being processed right now.

ok, that's a definition that you made up, and most of us go with conscious and non-conscious. The idea that the brain has to have some level of conscious awareness of its functions for them to occur is faulty. Your cerebellum is highly active, full of timing circuits, and that is not considered 'sub-conscious'. Your heart rate, sweating and breathing etc is managed by your medulla, and again is not considered 'sub conscious'. Both are non-conscious systems that continue to function even when your consciousness is entirely absent,

In this system, awareness would follow sub-conscious action, not non-conscious.

Again, terminalogical nightmare, dude. When you catch a ball, the signals go from your eye, via your occipital cortex, to your cerebellum. no conscious invovlement whatsoever. the movement of your arm to catch the ball is entirely non-conscious, not sub conscious.

You need to get up to speed with the current linguistic norms in neuroscience if you want to have a conversation that has any meaning beyond your own ego.

Well, yes, but if we retrain the subconscious to only provide one type of input, our conscious activity becomes very predictable.

That's 'moving the goal posts' to nowhereville.

transtemporal states are like the time crystals of conscious awareness. Ritual, mediation etc produce standing waves of neural activity, where your conscious awareness breaks free of the tight timing circuits of the dorsal raphe loop and tunes into resonant patterns in sensory input and internal creations.