I have to admit, there is something magical about Joe Biden

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[–]Node 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

evidence, in this case, is sorely lacking.

The lie does work, which is why it's so common. But my above sentiment remains.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Lie? Do you have some evidence that Guiliani doesn't know about?

[–]Node 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Why would I believe anything a Guiliani says? People don't reach the positions he's had unless they're cabal whitelisted.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

In that case, why would you believe anything Trump says?

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Why would you believe I believe anything Trump says? Where are you getting that from? Certainly not from me.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I may have misunderstood your initial comment.

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But evidence, in this case, is sorely lacking.

This is where your opinion is the opposite of tens of millions of Americans. I forget the actual numbers, but it's very large. Aside from the actual fraud itself, it's a problem when a large percentage of the population believes the government is illegitimate.

There, I think I finally came up with a way to say that pretty neutrally.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is where your opinion is the opposite of tens of millions of Americans.

Irrelevant. Truth does not care how many people believe it, and the last four years have shown that a large percentage of Americans will believe pretty much anything.

it's a problem when a large percentage of the population believes the government is illegitimate.

Yes, agreed, and this is actually a pretty big deal, and unfortunately right out of Foundations of Geopolitics. And there doesn't really seem to be a good solution (letting an angry mob reinstall Trump certainly is not it). As to the claims of fraud themselves, there will be a segment of the population who will always believe them no matter what, and on the other hand verifying legitimacy of these is difficult especially when multiple people have admitted to being paid to make those statements/videos. That being said, as far as I know, none of the claims would be "enough" fraud to swing the election regardless and there hasn't been any evidence of widespread fraud.

[–]fediverseshill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

mvp post

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https://populist.press/election-fraud-evidence-mounts-dems-divert-attention/

One example of around 4000 videos, posts, and claims about fraud I've seen across the country. The difference with this one is that it's by a news outlet, rather than individuals.

Whether some person takes those to court or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that it's all credible enough for millions to take it seriously.