PLEASE READ: This is what happened yesterday and why. It was a classic Psy-Op against the American people. However, these Psy-Ops are totally preventable if we can learn the lessons from this one.

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[–]kazenmusic 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Every now and then I hear public commentators mention that left thinking includes hive-mind organization, while right thinking possesses personal opinions rather than group goals. To put it another way, liberals are great at organizing, conservatives are pretty bad at it. Really we're talking about one's human nature. Some people are like that; some are not. Much grows from that truth.

@Aureus has made good suggestions and a well-thought-out post. I agree with almost everything here; but I don't see the key that will allow conservatives to be coherent; it is their nature to be individual rather than committed to a common vision.

Donald Trump could have been the one to weld conservatives into a single vision- but either he doesn't possess whatever it takes, or he has been so poisoned and subverted that his leadership has been rudderless. There's a study out there somewhere that found that over the past twenty years, political speeches have employed simpler and simpler language, and an increase in sentiments over facts.

I saw a clip this morning of Vladimir Putin talking about how American elections are all fine, but a couple of days afterward the elected person is visited by some men in black suits who tell him how it works. "Or else", if you're lucky. Not if you're not.

I have thought about the level of blackmail and terrorism that goes into those visits. If you are an official, and every time you don't do what you are told (like "stand down the police") one of your children or an uncle disappears...well. And people who inhabit Saidit will have heard about the international trafficking, rape and murder of thousands of children every year. Is it all bullshit? I don't know, I only have the internet; and though I don't watch TV, I bet I'd never hear of it there.

So we're at war against a merciless, honourless psychopathic machine that spurns "your democracy" as nothing more than a speed bump, if that. No progress can be made until the real enemy is exposed and addressed; more and more, I'm thinking that is a worldwide crime syndicate (a loose one but with concrete goals) funded and supported by the wealthiest people on earth...who somehow think they will be safe once the rest of us are subdued. Which is debatable.

We are at war, but not with each other. I see that as the central problem, beyond what @Aureus has said. Who is that, and where are they? That's what we need to know, before we begin assembling the response @Aureus recommends.

We have a small army of private journalists who are trying to tell us things. They endanger themselves regularly by digging into things that "aren't anyone's bussiness". The recent purges on Youtube and Twitter should tell you that. But as long as the Machine owns the government, the police and the courts, "proof" is just going to be brushed aside.

It's impossible to reason with someone who won't listen and doesn't care what you think. Who has the power to make you invisible in the larger world. So what now? It is already a war, just nobody wants to call it. And it's not with who you think.

[–]Aureus[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

First off, thank you for your response.

Who is that, and where are they? That's what we need to know, before we begin assembling the response @Aureus recommends.

You're absolutely correct. However, I don't think identifying "who" is as important as how they operate and how we can emulate that. I've seen a lot of discussions get bogged down into who the elite really are - is this public figure one of them, or are they a freethinker? You can see how that would devolve into pointless arguments and finger-pointing.

But what's absolutely vital is discussion. At least it would be better than the incessant newsposting.

I don't see the key that will allow conservatives to be coherent; it is their nature to be individual rather than committed to a common vision.

You might be right. Unfortunately I don't see a way out that involves purely individual thinking. "United we stand, divided we fall" has too much truth to it.

One of the few individual solutions I can think of would be enjoying the decline, and participating in enjoyable pursuits rather than focusing on politics. Unfortunately, mainstream conservatives doing that is one of the main reasons we're here today.

[–]kazenmusic 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

One of the few individual solutions I can think of would be enjoying the decline, and participating in enjoyable pursuits rather than focusing on politics. Unfortunately, mainstream conservatives doing that is one of the main reasons we're here today.

That is so; I am puzzled as to solutions. I've lost friends and family because of mentioning the slightest hint of the things I see as self-evident. Have had to sit back and wait to see if developments prove me right. Except that will be far too late to avoid the situation planned for us. Far from showing interest, people recoil as if I'd bitten them. The strength of propaganda I suppose; yet I sit and wonder: if they are victims, what am I doing that is different from them?
Well one thing I suppose is I'm always interested in reasonable discussion, even if I don't buy the opposing argument. Not always possible. I've been angrily dismissed, even got hit once. Never raised my voice, never tried to belittle the other person...it is truly baffling. Conversations that would have been easy, even enjoyable, five years ago are now impossible. "Dismissed"! Slam.
Truly, we have competent adversaries. This very division has been their method at work, IMO. 

  You may have noticed this post, I found it shortly after seeing and answering yours.  I believe there are ideas here that need to be taken on board.  
   https://saidit.net/s/LateStageCapitalism/comments/74n0/the_ideology_of_incorporation_long/

    As another facet of the topic, I have heard some, Dan Rubin in particular, suggest that 'wokeness' has become a religion, rather than a political approach;  and as such is defended on faith and cult loyalty rather than any matter of fact.  Which makes such people unapproachable, back to what I said before: you can't reason with someone who will not hear you.  George Carlin, speaking of the Muslim encroachment (years ago, before the current diaspora) said, "They will win, you know.  There is no defense against fanaticism, and fanaticism is entirely relentless."  

    It's such a broad perspective of damage.

One of the few individual solutions I can think of would be enjoying the decline, and participating in enjoyable pursuits rather than focusing on politics. Unfortunately, mainstream conservatives doing that is one of the main reasons we're here today.

     Very true.  You will have seen the meme running around that describes the wheel of history:  "Strong men make good times:  Good times make weak men: Weak men make bad times: Bad times make strong men."  
     It may be a matter of waiting for the wheel; I also have envisioned the Yin-Yang wheel in this respect.  But I have pangs of sorrow for the generations it may take for that wheel to turn, and sorrow for the implacable narcissism that would be willing to sacrifice billions of people to a miserable fate, for the sake of their own comfort and salacious delight.  

  I've recently encountered a very spiritually minded lady who pointed out to me (again) that reaching out into consciousness, coming to an encounter with one's inner self, there is the knowledge that everything is perfect; nothing is ever out of place, no matter what it looks like; and it isn't our business to be occupied with the spiritual development of anyone but ourselves. 
   That's a pretty quiet spot in all this;  I kind of envy her her nonchalance.  I suspect she would be of the same mind right to the last breath of starvation.  I find that worthy of respect, it's not my path but I get it.

[–]kazenmusic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry, that reformatted itself and I don't know how to fix it.

[–]kazenmusic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Replying to my own comment with a better format of the recommended link:

https://saidit.net/s/LateStageCapitalism/comments/74n0/the_ideology_of_incorporation_long/