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[–]Aureus[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

First off, thank you for your response.

Who is that, and where are they? That's what we need to know, before we begin assembling the response @Aureus recommends.

You're absolutely correct. However, I don't think identifying "who" is as important as how they operate and how we can emulate that. I've seen a lot of discussions get bogged down into who the elite really are - is this public figure one of them, or are they a freethinker? You can see how that would devolve into pointless arguments and finger-pointing.

But what's absolutely vital is discussion. At least it would be better than the incessant newsposting.

I don't see the key that will allow conservatives to be coherent; it is their nature to be individual rather than committed to a common vision.

You might be right. Unfortunately I don't see a way out that involves purely individual thinking. "United we stand, divided we fall" has too much truth to it.

One of the few individual solutions I can think of would be enjoying the decline, and participating in enjoyable pursuits rather than focusing on politics. Unfortunately, mainstream conservatives doing that is one of the main reasons we're here today.

[–]kazenmusic 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

One of the few individual solutions I can think of would be enjoying the decline, and participating in enjoyable pursuits rather than focusing on politics. Unfortunately, mainstream conservatives doing that is one of the main reasons we're here today.

That is so; I am puzzled as to solutions. I've lost friends and family because of mentioning the slightest hint of the things I see as self-evident. Have had to sit back and wait to see if developments prove me right. Except that will be far too late to avoid the situation planned for us. Far from showing interest, people recoil as if I'd bitten them. The strength of propaganda I suppose; yet I sit and wonder: if they are victims, what am I doing that is different from them?
Well one thing I suppose is I'm always interested in reasonable discussion, even if I don't buy the opposing argument. Not always possible. I've been angrily dismissed, even got hit once. Never raised my voice, never tried to belittle the other person...it is truly baffling. Conversations that would have been easy, even enjoyable, five years ago are now impossible. "Dismissed"! Slam.
Truly, we have competent adversaries. This very division has been their method at work, IMO.

  You may have noticed this post, I found it shortly after seeing and answering yours.  I believe there are ideas here that need to be taken on board.  
   https://saidit.net/s/LateStageCapitalism/comments/74n0/the_ideology_of_incorporation_long/

    As another facet of the topic, I have heard some, Dan Rubin in particular, suggest that 'wokeness' has become a religion, rather than a political approach;  and as such is defended on faith and cult loyalty rather than any matter of fact.  Which makes such people unapproachable, back to what I said before: you can't reason with someone who will not hear you.  George Carlin, speaking of the Muslim encroachment (years ago, before the current diaspora) said, "They will win, you know.  There is no defense against fanaticism, and fanaticism is entirely relentless."  

    It's such a broad perspective of damage.  

One of the few individual solutions I can think of would be enjoying the decline, and participating in enjoyable pursuits rather than focusing on politics. Unfortunately, mainstream conservatives doing that is one of the main reasons we're here today.

     Very true.  You will have seen the meme running around that describes the wheel of history:  "Strong men make good times:  Good times make weak men: Weak men make bad times: Bad times make strong men."  
     It may be a matter of waiting for the wheel; I also have envisioned the Yin-Yang wheel in this respect.  But I have pangs of sorrow for the generations it may take for that wheel to turn, and sorrow for the implacable narcissism that would be willing to sacrifice billions of people to a miserable fate, for the sake of their own comfort and salacious delight.  

  I've recently encountered a very spiritually minded lady who pointed out to me (again) that reaching out into consciousness, coming to an encounter with one's inner self, there is the knowledge that everything is perfect; nothing is ever out of place, no matter what it looks like; and it isn't our business to be occupied with the spiritual development of anyone but ourselves. 
   That's a pretty quiet spot in all this;  I kind of envy her her nonchalance.  I suspect she would be of the same mind right to the last breath of starvation.  I find that worthy of respect, it's not my path but I get it.  

[–]kazenmusic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry, that reformatted itself and I don't know how to fix it.

[–]kazenmusic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Replying to my own comment with a better format of the recommended link:

https://saidit.net/s/LateStageCapitalism/comments/74n0/the_ideology_of_incorporation_long/