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[–]kazenmusic 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Every now and then I hear public commentators mention that left thinking includes hive-mind organization, while right thinking possesses personal opinions rather than group goals. To put it another way, liberals are great at organizing, conservatives are pretty bad at it. Really we're talking about one's human nature. Some people are like that; some are not. Much grows from that truth.

@Aureus has made good suggestions and a well-thought-out post. I agree with almost everything here; but I don't see the key that will allow conservatives to be coherent; it is their nature to be individual rather than committed to a common vision.

Donald Trump could have been the one to weld conservatives into a single vision- but either he doesn't possess whatever it takes, or he has been so poisoned and subverted that his leadership has been rudderless. There's a study out there somewhere that found that over the past twenty years, political speeches have employed simpler and simpler language, and an increase in sentiments over facts.

I saw a clip this morning of Vladimir Putin talking about how American elections are all fine, but a couple of days afterward the elected person is visited by some men in black suits who tell him how it works. "Or else", if you're lucky. Not if you're not.

I have thought about the level of blackmail and terrorism that goes into those visits. If you are an official, and every time you don't do what you are told (like "stand down the police") one of your children or an uncle disappears...well. And people who inhabit Saidit will have heard about the international trafficking, rape and murder of thousands of children every year. Is it all bullshit? I don't know, I only have the internet; and though I don't watch TV, I bet I'd never hear of it there.

So we're at war against a merciless, honourless psychopathic machine that spurns "your democracy" as nothing more than a speed bump, if that. No progress can be made until the real enemy is exposed and addressed; more and more, I'm thinking that is a worldwide crime syndicate (a loose one but with concrete goals) funded and supported by the wealthiest people on earth...who somehow think they will be safe once the rest of us are subdued. Which is debatable.

We are at war, but not with each other. I see that as the central problem, beyond what @Aureus has said. Who is that, and where are they? That's what we need to know, before we begin assembling the response @Aureus recommends.

We have a small army of private journalists who are trying to tell us things. They endanger themselves regularly by digging into things that "aren't anyone's bussiness". The recent purges on Youtube and Twitter should tell you that. But as long as the Machine owns the government, the police and the courts, "proof" is just going to be brushed aside.

It's impossible to reason with someone who won't listen and doesn't care what you think. Who has the power to make you invisible in the larger world. So what now? It is already a war, just nobody wants to call it. And it's not with who you think.

[–]Aureus[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

First off, thank you for your response.

Who is that, and where are they? That's what we need to know, before we begin assembling the response @Aureus recommends.

You're absolutely correct. However, I don't think identifying "who" is as important as how they operate and how we can emulate that. I've seen a lot of discussions get bogged down into who the elite really are - is this public figure one of them, or are they a freethinker? You can see how that would devolve into pointless arguments and finger-pointing.

But what's absolutely vital is discussion. At least it would be better than the incessant newsposting.

I don't see the key that will allow conservatives to be coherent; it is their nature to be individual rather than committed to a common vision.

You might be right. Unfortunately I don't see a way out that involves purely individual thinking. "United we stand, divided we fall" has too much truth to it.

One of the few individual solutions I can think of would be enjoying the decline, and participating in enjoyable pursuits rather than focusing on politics. Unfortunately, mainstream conservatives doing that is one of the main reasons we're here today.

[–]kazenmusic 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

One of the few individual solutions I can think of would be enjoying the decline, and participating in enjoyable pursuits rather than focusing on politics. Unfortunately, mainstream conservatives doing that is one of the main reasons we're here today.

That is so; I am puzzled as to solutions. I've lost friends and family because of mentioning the slightest hint of the things I see as self-evident. Have had to sit back and wait to see if developments prove me right. Except that will be far too late to avoid the situation planned for us. Far from showing interest, people recoil as if I'd bitten them. The strength of propaganda I suppose; yet I sit and wonder: if they are victims, what am I doing that is different from them?
Well one thing I suppose is I'm always interested in reasonable discussion, even if I don't buy the opposing argument. Not always possible. I've been angrily dismissed, even got hit once. Never raised my voice, never tried to belittle the other person...it is truly baffling. Conversations that would have been easy, even enjoyable, five years ago are now impossible. "Dismissed"! Slam.
Truly, we have competent adversaries. This very division has been their method at work, IMO.

  You may have noticed this post, I found it shortly after seeing and answering yours.  I believe there are ideas here that need to be taken on board.  
   https://saidit.net/s/LateStageCapitalism/comments/74n0/the_ideology_of_incorporation_long/

    As another facet of the topic, I have heard some, Dan Rubin in particular, suggest that 'wokeness' has become a religion, rather than a political approach;  and as such is defended on faith and cult loyalty rather than any matter of fact.  Which makes such people unapproachable, back to what I said before: you can't reason with someone who will not hear you.  George Carlin, speaking of the Muslim encroachment (years ago, before the current diaspora) said, "They will win, you know.  There is no defense against fanaticism, and fanaticism is entirely relentless."  

    It's such a broad perspective of damage.  

One of the few individual solutions I can think of would be enjoying the decline, and participating in enjoyable pursuits rather than focusing on politics. Unfortunately, mainstream conservatives doing that is one of the main reasons we're here today.

     Very true.  You will have seen the meme running around that describes the wheel of history:  "Strong men make good times:  Good times make weak men: Weak men make bad times: Bad times make strong men."  
     It may be a matter of waiting for the wheel; I also have envisioned the Yin-Yang wheel in this respect.  But I have pangs of sorrow for the generations it may take for that wheel to turn, and sorrow for the implacable narcissism that would be willing to sacrifice billions of people to a miserable fate, for the sake of their own comfort and salacious delight.  

  I've recently encountered a very spiritually minded lady who pointed out to me (again) that reaching out into consciousness, coming to an encounter with one's inner self, there is the knowledge that everything is perfect; nothing is ever out of place, no matter what it looks like; and it isn't our business to be occupied with the spiritual development of anyone but ourselves. 
   That's a pretty quiet spot in all this;  I kind of envy her her nonchalance.  I suspect she would be of the same mind right to the last breath of starvation.  I find that worthy of respect, it's not my path but I get it.  

[–]kazenmusic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry, that reformatted itself and I don't know how to fix it.

[–]kazenmusic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Replying to my own comment with a better format of the recommended link:

https://saidit.net/s/LateStageCapitalism/comments/74n0/the_ideology_of_incorporation_long/

[–]praesagiens 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This is the post that made me create a saidit account

[–]Aureus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–]jykylsin2034 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

At this point we just need an American NSDAP

[–]Popper 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

great post

[–]Aureus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–]wendolynne 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

"Build bridges, make a big tent, and win over the majority of people. I sincerely don't believe that conservative causes are unpopular ones. Explained rationally, almost everyone in the world can agree with at least some of them. The objective must not be to set 50% against the other 50%, but to unite the 99% of honest people against the 1% of elites."

Keep the focus on the issues and causes. Avoid attributing your ideas to one side or the other, which only invites people to dismiss your ideas out-of-hand. If it is truly a good idea, something that will make the world a better place, then it will appeal to most people who listen to them. Don't unnecessarily give them a reason to avoid reading/listening.

Politics seems to attract crazy people. Rallies seem to attract violent people. Crazy and violent people seem to attract news reporters - "if it bleads it leads." Crazy violent people steal the focus and are a setback. Promoting good solid solutions is not as dramatic.

[–]kazenmusic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, very well put.

[–]Aureus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perfectly said.

[–]pcpmasterrace 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

However, a tiny handful of agitators get out of hand and commit crimes. The agitators are enabled by a police force that intentionally stands down (as we saw in Charlottesville and DC).

They didn't stand down here, though, they killed four unarmed people. And even if the police didn't stand down in Charlottesville, there would not have been any violence if antifa wasn't present. But regardless of how much antifa misbehaves, they have the full support of the media & political establishments.

[–]Aureus[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're right, but this is something we all ought to know. These kinds of events are obviously traps and should be avoided.

[–]rubberbiscuit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah I can't understand why anyone went to DC. They're lucky only 4 murdered and 50 some odd arrested. It could have been a purge.

they would have been better off organizing and protesting at state levels. I think this is the best hope, state and local levels. We must convince our states to oppose federal intervention at all cost. Like sanctuary cities: who won't prosecute immigration laws. Our locals hopefully will help set up ways to avoid federal taxes or black market fuel, or free speech outlets, etc.

Now if Biden is protecting child sex slave traffickers, well, we have to protect our children to the extent possible.

If Biden wants to pay for black people to abort their children, honestly while it is disgraceful and abhorrent, it is what they apparently want, so I don't see a reason to fight over this sort of issue. Let them genocide themselves. Why should we care?

[–]kazenmusic 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There's new footage about that. The police removed the gates and welcomed people in. They were prepared inside the building: someone led a faction of photographers up two flights of stairs to get where they 'should be' .

Someone should follow up on those deaths and provide reliable evidence. Very sorry for them, and their families. But we have to know if we're being scammed. Don't know how to do that.

[–]Popper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

3 of them had heart attacks

1 woman got shot but I expect it will be seen she and others were attacking cops so got shot in self defense

[–]Node 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

https://files.catbox.moe/2tmvqg.mp4

There's the gun that came out of hiding and shot her.

[–]fred_red_beans 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wow, that was not self defense.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nope, it was a chance to kill a white woman.

[–]Popper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

she deserved it

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ah, for being jewish. Got it.

[–]Popper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

she wasn't jewish but she attacked cops, win stupid prizes

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

she attacked cops - @Popper

Ah, you're a reddit kid.

[–]HopeThatHalps 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

1 woman got shot but I expect it will be seen she and others were attacking cops so got shot in self defense

It's interesting and tragic. Tragic because she was obviously crazy. I sort of think Trump should be liable for having drawn mentally unstable people to DC, who then put themselves into this situaton.

Interesting because breaking into the capital doesn't warrant a death sentance and she specifically wasn't a threat to the cop, but the mob itself was a threat to the cops and the law makers, and she was the spear head of the mob at the particular point in time, so all in all, it seems justified given the circiustances. It's a blessing that none of those crazies had a bomb and a plan to use it. I think a lot of actual suicide terrorists are thinking "holy sheet! I know where I'm spending my next vacation!"

[–]Popper 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah and I think a lot of these magatards were actually trying to commit suicide by cop. The probably hate their lives now that orange man lost. He really was their everything.

[–]blargus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Disagree completely. Mob rushing a government building and breaking into it is inviting yourself to be shot regardless of whether you're armed or not.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Interesting post. Responding as someone who you would consider far-left:

conservative values

How about we start by defining what these are? Because in modern times, it seems to be "whatever the left doesn't like." And when I ask individuals this question, the answers usually either 1) seem pretty fucking left to me, or 2) are not at all what Republican/conservative politicians are doing or have expressed desire to do. And then it becomes a "no true scotsman" shitstorm conversation that gets nowhere.

Something I also find difficult - separating conservatism from Republicanism. No one seems to have a clear answer, other than "Republicanism is the aspects I don't like."

without providing any positive and constructive solutions

Another bit I find puzzling -- one of the central tenets of modern conservatism is "if we ignore a problem long enough, it won't be a problem anymore." Conservatives are the opposition party. It's in the name -- progressives present solutions (attempt to make progress) and conservatives move to conserve the status quo and block the changes. This often seems to be a mindset of "don't fix it if it ain't broke", "the cure will be worse than the disease", or the aforementioned "just ignore it" as reasons to just keep doing the same stuff we've been doing.

So it's interesting that you seem interested in actually, you know, improving things. 🙂

One small correction:

the Left controls the media

The neoliberals control the media. Don't forget that they shit all over Bernie.

[–]slushpilot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Left/right is made-up and nobody can agree on what it means day by day.

We absolutely need dialogue and reasoned opposition for democracies to function, but it's not black & white. It's idiotic to get entrenched on one side.

Spending taxes on national defense = right-wing conservatism Spending taxes on national medicine = left-wing socialism

I don't know how to get people to start seeing through the false dichotomy. I've tried pointing out paradoxes and double-standards like this, and I get told it's "whataboutism". It's not "carrying water" for "fascism" or "communism" or whatever extreme rhetoric you prefer just because you dare point out hypocrisy.

[–]Aureus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said.

Spending taxes on national defense = right-wing conservatism Spending taxes on national medicine = left-wing socialism

To be fair, I think a lot of people are waking up to this and rejecting it.

[–]socks 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Cheers, mate.

I think 'Conservatives' and 'Republicanism' are terms that refer mainly to Eisenhower conservatism, which was meant to reduce spending associated with FDR's New Deal.

Since the time of Reagan, Republicans have become the "Radical Party," distributing as much as possible to the 1% whilst the 99% have remained stagnant or suffered so much that both members of the household must work multiple part-time jobs. Young people today should hate these fuckers more than anything.

[–]Aureus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In 2016, who seemed more like the "change" candidate, and who seemed more like the "establishment" candidate?

This might give you a hint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLfvXjKMwtI

In 2020, which candidate gave a speech to wealthy donors promising "nothing would fundamentally change" under his presidency?

[–]Aureus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was going to write a long response to this, but I'll keep it simple.

And when I ask individuals this question, the answers usually either 1) seem pretty fucking left to me, or 2) are not at all what Republican/conservative politicians are doing or have expressed desire to do.

I don't see laissez-faire economics as bedrock-foundational to conservatism. So if you asked me what conservative values are, you might hear a "pretty left" answer in terms of economics.

The real divide, and the reason why the website you're using exists at all, is the difference in cultural values.

If you asked average Democrats and Republicans about their economic values, you probably wouldn't get wildly diverging answers. You might even get answers that seem "pretty fucking left". Consider the issue of $2000 checks, for example.

If you asked them about culture, however... good luck.

Just an example: the conservative opinion on family, and the opinion that family is an evil patriarchical construct that must be abolished, are in two different moral universes.

Another example: the neoliberal censorship that is the reason this website exists. You can't say you don't understand the divide when you are currently using a website that is the product of that divide.

This is why I'm trying to build bridges. If you set up a candidate who is anti-war and pro-welfare for Americans, I guarantee you that you could get conservatives to support that candidate in droves as long as they leave the culture stuff behind. They don't have to be outspoken one way or the other. Just don't openly pledge to use the full power of government to fuck over conservatives on cultural issues.

You get a politician who stands by all the lefty policies you love. Conservatives get a candidate who is objectively better for them, doesn't explicitly hate them as a demographic, and doesn't push the "Republican" BS everybody hates.

Orrrrrr we could keep dividing the proles against each other on hot-button cultural issues that ultimately mean nothing, as each votes in neoliberal/neoconservative candidates on a 4-year rotating cycle, who do nothing but expand the powers of the police and surveillance states. Conservatives supporting free trade and tax cuts to "own the libs", leftists supporting woke monopolistic megacorporations and foreign wars to "own the cons".

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you asked average Democrats and Republicans about their economic values, you probably wouldn't get wildly diverging answers.

Maybe, maybe not. I've talked to some conservatives who are firm believers in trickle-down jesus, and I've talked to some who, as you pointed out, are ready for those $2000 checks.

opinion that family is an evil patriarchical construct that must be abolished

This is not a real though. You're strawmanning. (And before you go looking: I'm sure it's "real" on twitter and tumblr. But I've never met anyone like that in real life, despite living in one of the Bluest states. The twitterists are loud but they do not represent the left anymore than the kkk represents the right.)

the neoliberal censorship that is the reason this website exists.

Again, I don't consider neolibs "the left." If anything I'd consider them auth center. I think most leftists would agree that censorship is bad (although we are happy to call out people for being racist assholes).

If you set up a candidate who is anti-war and pro-welfare for Americans, I guarantee you that you could get conservatives to support that candidate in droves as long as they leave the culture stuff behind

So...Bernie? (Although I suppose he has been more outspoken about guns in recent years.)

[–]socks 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Very well written, and includes talking points aired at Fox "news" and other propaganda "news" media, as a way of changing this obvious form of domestic terrorism, with extensive video evidence by the terrorists, into anything else.

It won't work. The main problem is that there is no reliable evidence for the claims that are mentioned here. There are many misleading claims, and the usual use of false equivalence to build potential analogies.

To appreciate how serious this was, watch the video of senators' responses after the attack. Note that many GOP senators were on record beforehand with promises to challenge electoral votes in states Trump did not win. They were well aware that Trump and the GOP fucked up by encouraging these heavily armed, incredibly stupid, terrorists to not only 'protest', but take back their country, "stop the steal", do everything in their power to keep Trump in office. Many senators withdrew their plans to vote against the states.

Videos by the terrorists offer plenty of evidence in recent months of their interests to record their own rioting, to prove that they support Trump, and what he supposedly represents.

This is not a complicated conpiracy. This is sediiton, and there is plenty of edvidence of it.

Note especially that there were cops and other security guards all over the place who chose not to resist the white terrorists.

There is no reliable alternative evidence, regardless of what may see at Breitbart, Parler, InfoWars, Fox, Sinclaire, OAN, and the many other extremist right-wing propaganda sites.

[–]Bisensualgayagyfk 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You're off your game today socks, ah well, happy new year buddy!

[–]socks 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hmmm... Perhaps too many words

In short: a country that spends $800 billion on defense should not let traitors appoint Petagon officials, weaken Capitol security, and then tell armed, inbred cucks to storm the Capitol and "stop the steal". Put the fuckers (inc. Howley, Cruz, Twittler & family) in jail for 20 years.

EDIT: Happy new year, Bisensualgayagyfk!

[–]anescapee 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The whole thing was bullshit. You either stand at the barricades and peacefully protest or you take up arms and kill them all, there is no middle ground. What happened, the storming of a federal building, might sound acceptable to many here but in reality it was rank stupidity. As the outcome has proven. Anyway trump has his excuse to lay down and roll over now. Finally! Thank fuck!

Talk about a show pony. Four years of Bluster and bullshit and the US is in worse shape than when he took office, which was always going to be the case, because presidents are just the lead puppet in a puppet show designed to keep the population in obedient servitude. And every single person who believed in and voted for him, is a Sap of the first order. Well Saps, go cross your legs for 4 more years and then you'll get a chance to vote for your next puppet Hero.

[–]Tarrock 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

s/mediapunchback

We're going to be going after the media's advertisers, like we were talking about 6 months ago in one of the linked threads.

[–]rubberbiscuit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is fantastic information. Thank you for sharing.

[–]Aureus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Glad I could help!

[–]Honestanonymous 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nice post!

[–]Aureus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–]1hairlessmonkey 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am so sick and tired of this nonsense and I don't understand how people are so easily fooled, time and time again. Examples, former first "lady"~ Trumps got kids in cages!! Actually those cages were put there in 2014 and Trump decided to stop tgis practice but you will see a bunch of smug dummies going around swearing that Don has kids all caged up🤧😫. You have J. B. on tape blackmailing and threatening the leader of another country because he was about to get busted for corruption but no, nope Trump is crooked and should be in prison!! 🤔 You have a particular nasty little wretch from L.A. going around threatening and calling for some physical altercations with people who happen to be doing a job, she wants people to push back on them in stores and gas stations, really? Suddenly though its all Trumps fault, what a bad man for inciting violence, in fact he spoke against this type of behavior, I mean how much bullshit are we expected to swallow here?

[–]HopeThatHalps 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

However, a tiny handful of agitators get out of hand and commit crimes.

The number of people who broke into the Capital building was hardly insignificant.

What struck me most of about the mob was the obviousness of mental illness. The girl who was shot and killed, she had an instagram rant from her car, he came across as highly unstable. Her husband didn't even accompany her to DC. Very wierd. Many of the other guys look disheveled and stereotypically crazy. If anything is being mischaracterized, I thinks it's the idea that most of these people were level headed, they appear to be lost people. Trump casts a wide net, and these are the kinds of people he lured in.

[–]bookmobile 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Are you saying the Trump right is gullible? If Aftifa is manipulating you, stop being dumb asses.

Your plan is basically "Do what the left is already doing". Congratulations on re-discovering what Nancy Polici already knew.

The reality is that Antifa is not manipulating the right as much as you think it is. Realize your real shortcomings. You have to figure that one out for yourself. When you do so, most of you will not remain on the right.

[–]SomeFuckingWizard 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Look at all the Liberals being brought to justice, though. These people have been caught on camera and they are being brought to justice as we speak! I mean - It looks like they did the "long Con" by pretending to be Trump supporters from the very beginning! Even going so far as to Vote for Him - Twice! They did everything in their power to disguise and sneak their way into Trumps Final Rally to sow Chaos on the final day!

Never underestimate the lengths Libruls will go to, to infiltrate the party of Law and Order!

Here are pictures of the Libruls in question!

https://imgur.com/gallery/6zTYD8q

The Grand PsyOp has been uncovered!!!

[–]bookmobile 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Had there been some clever evil antifa there, cops would have been shot. The MAGA cult would have been blamed. And Trump would be in a dungeon. This wasn't a very good false flag.

Just own it. Had the election been stolen for real, if Democrats actually were secrete satanic pedophiles, what these "patriots" did was a good thing. This was the kind of working class threatening the ruling class endeavor a good anarchist would envy. Just own it.

[–]SomeFuckingWizard 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Has this place gone to shit so bad that even Obvious Satire is absolutely unrecognizable?

There is a good reason I left this joint to the wacko squads of willingly out of touch alt-right Trump Goons.

"You cannot wake someone who is pretending to be asleep"

I came back and nothing has changed. The "Whataboutism" is stronger than ever and MAGAT's and the alt right will say anything to pretend that they are not hateful instigators and killers and traitors.

Just stopping by for some satire and see the shit show and unbelievable cognitive dissonance and leaving again.

[–]bookmobile 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. And it was Zionists/deep state/illuminati who sabotaged it. It isn't that anti-vax race realists rejected from reddit are nut jobs or anything.

[–]bookmobile 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, if it is in an image, it must be true. I was wrong.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/836895543236859829/

[–]AmericanMuskrat 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hahahahahaaaaa hahahaaaaaaa. Hahahaaaaaaaaa. Hahaaaaa hah. What bs did you write. I can't read it i'm still laughing!

[–]Riduch 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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