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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I have no time or interest to argue with you. Cheddar Man had red skin, and dark curly hair. Anyone who is interested can go look at the studies, rather than listen to either of us.

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

And what study said he had red skin?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I am pretty sure you will never hear anyone say "red skin" except for me, Earendil. The red race has been pretty effectively written out of history, although the genetic evidence and obvious features stands as proof. These cultures have existed from one end of the world to the other, and they were building earthworks hundreds of years before the great innovators of the other races. Most of them mixed in with other races, and this can be faintly traced through genetics, and some survived almost completely intact like the Native Americas and some islanders. I really don't think you could talk with such force on this topic (as in, you obviously know some stuff) and yet not know of the mesolithic Europeans who were primarily coastal and eventually got bred out in most places except for some of the last Berber tribes in North Africa, the Basque, and some pockets in Scotland and Ireland. They never wrote books. They never fought in any recorded wars. They are mentioned as having mixed with different races, and when we look to genetic studies (I will not hold your hand and scour the Internet again just for you) we find that some of these historical mentions have some truth to them.

I know they have that one picture of Cheddar Man on wiki where he is quite ruddy and tan, and you are saying that he would be much darker, well, then perhaps the European reds are quite different in their genetic origins than the other reds of the Americas.

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I know they have that one picture of Cheddar Man on wiki where he is quite ruddy and tan, and you are saying that he would be much darker,

He'd have been an intermediate skin tone, the DNA tests show that. Think heavy tan. Not African black.

and yet not know of the mesolithic Europeans who were primarily coastal and eventually got bred out in most places except for some of the last Berber tribes in North Africa, the Basque, and some pockets in Scotland and Ireland.

The Mesolithic Europeans you are referring too get referred to as Western Hunter Gatherers, or WHG.

And they don't exist intact anywhere, they were replaced by Neolithic farmers about 6k ago.

The Berbers are mainly of Capsian pre Neolithic and Neolithic west Asian ancestry. They aren't at all related to the WHG.

There are no relic populations if the WHG anywhere. Just some mtdna left in modern people.

I'm sorry but your level of misunderstanding of the DNA studies is appalling.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I basically was trying to say exactly this: "There are no relic populations of the WHG anywhere. Just some mtdna left in modern people.

That is a relic of their population, appearing in the populations of those they mixed with. Basques being one of them. There are other examples, but modern academia is currently disagreeing about their origin, so I won't mention them.

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All of Europe has a little WHG ancestry. Basque mitochondrial DNA is mainly of Neolithic origin, same as the rest of us.

They aren't much different.