There is no pandemic.

submitted by discountmeat from self.conspiracy

If there was a pandemic.... * you would count deaths and hospitalizations, not symptom-less virus carriers * you wouldn't need to tell people to stay home * you would quarantine sick people * you could prove that covid actually makes people sick using Kotch's postulates * you wouldn't need to censor people on social media showing empty hospitals, false positives, and testing corruption * CDC would be happy about the low death rate rather than burring it in their website 6 months after a lockdown

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[–]solarsavior 24 insightful - 15 fun24 insightful - 14 fun25 insightful - 15 fun -  (30 children)

A virus so deadly that you need a test to know you have it.

[–]MyLongestJourney 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

1.Familiarize yourself with the concept of the asymptomatic carrier.

2.People have died from this virus.Hundreds of thousand of them. I wish it would only kill the morons who think they know better than the scientific community but alas it does not discriminate.

[–]jet199 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Neither does flu, which kills the same every single year but we don't lock down to prevent it.

[–]MyLongestJourney 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

1.There are vaccines and antivirals for the flu.

2.It is not as contagious as the covid disease.

Really I wish contagious diseases only killed the idiots who think they know better than the scientific community.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If flu is less contagious than covid-19 then why are 14 times more people dying everyday of flu in the UK at the moment, seeing as the viruses spread in much the same way?

It's not a matter of knowing better than the scientists, I've not seen a single scientist say covid-19 is more contagious than flu. Do you have a link to that?

We also now have plenty of different treatments for covid-19, which is one of the reasons deaths have decreased so much.

[–]MyLongestJourney 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If flu is less contagious than covid-19 then why are 14 times more people dying everyday of flu in the UK at the moment, seeing as the viruses spread in much the same way?

The flu has been around for a long time.It has had the chance to spread in a far larger part of the population.Covid is a novel virus that did not have yet the chance to spread as widely.Take a look at Italy though who was devastated by covid (some 36,000 deaths) after failing to contain the original infection.And compare Italy with Greece which took drastic measures early and counts a mere 393 dead.Even if you adjust for the different populations (Italy's 60 million vs Greece's 11 million) Greece has managed to drastically reduce the casualties with careful planing.

It's not a matter of knowing better than the scientists, I've not seen a single scientist say covid-19 is more contagious than flu. Do you have a link to that?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Take a look at Italy though who was devastated by covid (some 36,000 deaths) after failing to contain the original infection.

Italian politicians were calling this a hoax back in April and May.

ITALY KNOWS ITS A HOAX

Below is an honest analysis of a Bloomberg Coco article about the deaths in Italy from March 18, 2020.

This guy is entertaining.

Coronavirus - Italy Deaths...The REAL Story

Wuhan China was the epicenter of public protests pushing to to fix the horrendous pollution problems in that region.

Protests Over Incinerator Rattle Officials in Chinese City (July 2019)

The Chinese govt has a strong interest in faking an outbreak to suppress public dissent.

Who knows how many righteous protesting people (who deserved to breathe clean air) were swept up and disappeared as "Covid".

These are the real crimes of the Chinese state in this fiasco.

Coco is a 100% hoax PsyOp.
A scamdemic in every sense.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The flu has been around for a long time.It has had the chance to spread in a far larger part of the population.

Nope, we get new strains of flu every year and it dies down in the summer so less people are infected.

You have no idea right now whether the number of deaths are due to measures taken or due to the different genetic make ups and general health of the populations. Japan had a very weak response to the virus but very few deaths. Northern Italy had many more deaths than the South with the same measures in both areas. It could well be people in Greece are simply fitter and thinner than those in northern Italy.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

It's a flu. For sick old people it can be nasty. For people under 50, it's a mild flu.

Source: three people I know caught it, all recovered. The first is a niece aged 34 (mild throat irritation). The second was a customer aged 68 with asthma (really sick at home for two weeks, with full recovery like the flu), and a 94 year old aunt with no preexisting conditions. She only had a fever for one day, a dry throat and temporary loss of appetite.

I think this bug was engineered in China, not by nature.

[–]MyLongestJourney 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

It's a flu. For sick old people it can be nasty. For people under 50, it's a mild flu.

Healthy people under 50 have died as well.The same goes for the flu.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Why are you so supportive of the official narrative? Is it .... Science(!)?

[–]MyLongestJourney 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

I am a Biologist dude.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

And that stops you from being religious about the official narrative because....? If anything, you are more at risk of catching the fear-of-covid than most are.

I better careful in this big, scary world, I "might" just get sick. And my grandma. And everyone I love. Then, we'd all be dead because we just wouldn't listen to Science(!)

[–]MyLongestJourney 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

And that stops you from being religious about the official narrative because...

I am a scientist and trust the scientific consensus way more than I trust nameless conspirary weavers on the internet.I am familiar with the way the scientific community works and can actually read a paper in virology and understand what it says.

I better careful in this big, scary world, I "might" just get sick. And my grandma. And everyone I love. Then, we'd all be dead because we just wouldn't listen to Science(!)

He types in his computer created by science.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Science(!) Is the religion based around the modern scientific community, which you just described yourself as being a willing and loving member of. So, you really can't see how it's a religion?

I understand not trusting conspiracy nuts, but you are silly if you think this pandemic is a serious threat. Half my state go without masks, and our numbers are incredibly low. I can look at reality, and see that there isn't some killer disease slaying the masses.

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

For being a self proclaimed biologist, you seem rather naive. Isn't it weird how often the more "education" people get, the more they lose the ability for critical thinking? They can't think their way out of a wet paper bag, but can certainly regurgitate volumes of redundant textbook information. And they still smugly tell themselves that they are very smart.

Novel Covid is certainly a virus...a mind virus for low Iq plebes.

[–]MyLongestJourney 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

For being a self proclaimed biologist, you seem rather naive. Isn't it weird how often the more "education" people get, the more they lose the ability for critical thinking?

Oh,is that so? Or this is what a person who is not familiar with the scientific method believes?

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Professionally I'm very familiar with the scientific method, which is why I've used it to determine that the Covid scare is pure hype with very little statistical evidence to support its clumsy mainstream sensationalized theory.

Educated idiots who wait for others to tell them what and how to think, are still busy trying to figure out how to fight their way out of a wet paper bag to realize the Covid pandemic is pure hubris. Figure it out for yourself by learning to science.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I am a Biologist dude.

Me too, dude.

Except, I'm not a biologist who is coincidentally pushing fraudulent govt narratives.

[–]MyLongestJourney 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If you paid for your degree,ask for a refund.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If you paid for your degree,ask for a refund.

Sure...

Dr. MyLongestJourney...

https://www.grammarcheck.net/editor/

[–]MyLongestJourney 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

English is not my native language.Greek is.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Again with the grammar.

[–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Same for any other flu, not just the Wuhan strain.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not very many have. What you call "healthy" may have undiagnosed underlying conditions. My 94 year old aunt never smoked and exercised daily. until she turned 90 when she hurt herself. She has already recovered from Covid-19, which her mildly. Healthy people are not hit as hard as the sick. Survival of the fittest is natures way. The young, on average, are more fit than geriatrics.

[–]chadwickofwv 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think this bug was engineered in China, not by nature.

And like everything else made in China it didn't work as intended.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This is the hilarious reality.

[–]redditbegay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It also shares symptoms with others types of illnesses, retard.

[–]Canbot 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

The real nail in the coffin is the fact that total deaths this year are lower than the same time last year.

Unfortunately this fact is not enough to convince the fucking retards who walk among us.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 7 insightful - 8 fun7 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 8 fun -  (8 children)

The real nail in the coffin is the fact that total deaths this year are lower than the same time last year.

It's because we locked down hard. Otherwise there would have been millions of deaths. Billions! Quintillions!

If we locked down even harder we could reduce mortality down to zero.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's because we locked down hard. Otherwise there would have been millions of deaths. Billions! Quintillions!

If we locked down even harder we could reduce mortality down to zero.

If you believe this then the Propaganda has taken your mind.

The lockdown is a scam to sabotage the economy.

Were living through another Wall St bubble, and they're getting ready to pop it and blame the corona hoax.

This time they're planning on restructuring the entire economy from the top down. The green economy will be a humanitarian disaster. They're going for depopulation.

Edit: IridescentAnaconda was being sarcastic, and I missed the joke.

If we locked down even harder we could reduce mortality down to zero.

This is clever given;

The real nail in the coffin

+3

[–]IridescentAnaconda 5 insightful - 10 fun5 insightful - 9 fun6 insightful - 10 fun -  (4 children)

Whoosh!!!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I should have got your joke with the quintillions reference.

Yeah. I missed it.

[–]jamesK_3rd 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I missed it as well!!!

I started to reply but then I read the responses.

But i hear this same line of thought almost daily. When you ask them about what happened with Italy, the Birx and Fauci dream lockdowns, It usually never connects. Let alone bring up new Zealand or Hawaii, or Hong Kong.

It's a religious movement (athiesm/statism).

[–]3MistersAndAMissy 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You sound like me. Do you know if you had a twin your mom didn’t want?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

If you're like me, then she'd probably claim you as a son from another mother.

[–]Fitter_Happier 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Like there were in Sweden. RIP Sweden.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

False.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Lies

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nope

[–]zyxzevn 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It is a "False Alarm" to push very corrupt political goals.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, the whole thing has been hysterical relative to the actual threat.

[–]christnmusicreleases 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

The pandemic is political.

[–]FreedomUltd 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

A pandemic is defined as “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”.

It's not a complicated thing. There is definitely a pandemic.

[–]jet199 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

So we have seasonal flu and common cold pandemics every single year.

[–]3MistersAndAMissy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. That is the point. This one has been weaponized and treated as special

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. Seasonal epidemics are not usually called pandemics. But they meet the definition.

It's a problematic term, in that it suggests different things to different people, even among medical professionals. Airborne is another example. Terms like this don't usually cause problems among scientists. Part of that is surely that they know the limitations of these terms.

Occasionally something happens that causes the meaning of these terms to be discussed again. For whatever reason, they don't ever seem to be "disambiguated".

Possibly because they've never caused a huge problem in the past. I'm not aware of any previous pandemic of people so certain that they know what they're talking about and at the same time so ignorant.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A pandemic is defined as “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”.

Actually, the term pandemic is not defined in any technical sense.

Intentionally.

They can call anything a pandemic.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Coronaviruses are well known now for over 120 years. Only sheeple are impressed anymore by any scaremongering about them.

[–]Fitter_Happier 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

BUT IT'S NOVEL!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep.

Here is a photo of the 1981 book "The Eyes Is Darkness", and page 353 which describes Wuhan-400.

https://nitter.net/NickHintonn/status/1228896027987660800

A Dean Koontz novel written in 1981 predicted the outbreak of the coronavirus!

A clearer photo of the same page from a different Nitter commenter:

https://nitter.net/pic/media%2FEjCsUdYWoAQeLGx.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig

[–]EndlessCornflours 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

:)

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Coronaviruses are well known now for over 120 years.

Do you have a source for this?

I'm genuinely interested, because I'd love to read about their year 1900 medical tech.
Medical hoaxers.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889%E2%80%931890_pandemic

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Suspected cases 300-900 million (estimate)
Deaths 1 million (estimate)

Once again we see the most absurd exactly range of cases being reported. 300-900 million

An estimate of 1900 global population is 1.56 - 1.71 billion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimates_of_historical_world_population

The idea that 300-900 million people could have caught this dubious pandemic flu is just as laughable as the casedemic sham of 2020.

In fact, I'm starting to have doubts about the reality of the Spanish Flu.

Just about every photo I can find looks staged.

Have a look for yourself.

https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=Spanish+flu+pandemic+photos&cat=web&pl=opensearch

Almost all of the people are wearing masks (in 1919?), and/or doing everyday indoor activities outside.

The people in the hospitals photos look healthy (more or less).
Typically, they're propped up on an elbow, or sitting on a cot for the camera.

50,000,000 allegedly died. 50,000,000!!!?

We should see mass graves, or hospitals where the ill are completely bedridden and struggling to survive.

Something hideous at a minimum. Like the civil war photos, or similar. Cities that were emptied, etc.

Photos like that would sell a lot of newspapers.

Instead, we see staged nonsense.

It's hardly credible.

Back to the Russian pandemic.

The 12 January 1890, edition of the Paris satirical magazine Le Grelot [fr] depicted an unfortunate influenza sufferer bowled along by a parade of doctors, druggists, skeleton musicians and dancing girls representing quinine and antipyrine

Satire references. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an early hoax. Pandemic hoaxes everywhere.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

As Tom Bombadil itself is a riddle in LOTR i won't answer to any of you hypothesises so far.

You aren't even able to dissect all my climate change arguments which you nevertheless claim to be a hoax. From a rhetorical standpoint so far it would be unwise to widen my front for your alleged dissections which only are as hollow as they are unwise.

There isn't even one better source in your rant.

A real logician or advocate (even a campaigner...) would look into the sources that this part of the wikipedia is made of instead of just denying reality.

Even though i fight quite the boomer here, i choose tactics and terrain here so far since your choices are obviously obselete.

Other than ranting i can see not even one argument.

See? That is why Tom Bombadil should stay in the woods he became insane in.

Do you know what a tactical delay is ? Well guess what: This is one.

Where Gandalf may or may not die in the process.

Just stay the joke your obselete character is. Millenials fight with arguments which you are quite short of at this point in time.

At this point i know how to poke holes into your reality but you're not even close to mine.

I studied with books and such. You are just boring me. So you are wasting my time on this planet.

You are just a blue character defending a reality that isn't even yours. Like my soon-to-be father in law.

Either accept your dementia or get a grip.

Purple is not like a white shadowed blue is. Purple is progressive and obviously a mixture of blue and red, while you are dying with a white shadow closing in on your mind.

You can't even remember when i'm citing myself on wikipedia, i bet.

We are the bosses of your offspring now. If you like it or not.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Are you high?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You aren't even able to dissect all my climate change arguments which you nevertheless claim to be a hoax.

I ignored your anecdotes, and instead described in detail the physical flaw in the climate change hoax.

You pretend to have a technical background, and I included reminders of the basics in the explanation.

It's obvious that you're a pretending to understand physics and chemistry basics.

Central point refutation. Top of the Pyramid.

The physical reality is gases can only absorb/emit narrow and discrete bands of EM radiation. Period.

Gases have no lattice structure and cannot behave as a greenhouse analogue. Period.

So-called greenhouse gases are functionally transparent to virtually all IR that is emitted from the surface (+99%)and the IR is emitted into space, because IR is emitted in a broad spectrum.

Gases have no lattice structure and cannot behave as a greenhouse analogue.

They cannot trap heat as the climate hoax argument goes.

Game over.

At this point i know how to poke holes into your reality but you're not even close to mine.

Poke.

I studied with books and such. You are just boring me. So you are wasting my time on this planet.

Really??? You "studied with books and such"?

That's hilarious.

They must have been joke books... ;-)

[–]C3P0 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

At this point, /u/ElifromtheBook and your commentary has devolved into mostly personal attacks rather than attacks on the argument itself. [you] this, [you] that.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't like all the subtle slights against the actual Tom Bombadil. You must not understand his character if you make such slights.

[–]MyLongestJourney 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

you could prove that covid actually makes people sick using Kotch's postulates

Gee I remember some other clowns like you claiming the same thing for HIV...

[–]denverkris 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Pretty much everybody who got HIV back then died. Not to mention that nobody really gave a shit about HIV until it started affecting people other than gay men, Haitians and IV drug users. Not the same thing at all.

[–]C3P0 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

It's quite difficult to acquire HIV as a monogamous heterosexual person. The US with all its sexualities is probably contributing to the spread. 50 years ago, no one was asexual. 50 years in the future, you'll be able to marry your dog, at least in the US.

Pansexual, asexual, demisexual, sapiosexual (OK, this is getting stupid now), skoliosexual, polysexual, androromantic, objectosexual etc.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It's quite difficult to acquire HIV as a monogamous heterosexual person

Not really as 20% of married people cheat on their partners, higher in non-married couples. It doesn't matter if you are completely monogamous, if your partner is screwing around you will still get STIs.

[–]chadwickofwv 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Nah, that number is way more than 20%.

[–]MongrelFreeStuff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Go mgtow bro!

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, that depends on one's definition of monogamous. If one partner cheats then it is no longer a monogamous relationship--it's polygamy but non-consensual. Also, if one changes a partner every month or three months, I wouldn't consider that to be quite monogamy.

I accept your point though.

[–]MongrelFreeStuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Brutal dogpill right there

[–]MyLongestJourney 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Incorrect.There was a small percentage that was unaffected by the virus for genetic reasons.They could still spread the virus to other people not having their innate immunity and these people would die. But that was not the point of my argument. HIV denialists would claim that HIV not meeting Koch's postulates meant that there was no link between HIV and AIDS.As FreedomUtld patiently explained to you,Koch's postulates were generated in 1890, before modern concepts in microbial pathogenesis that cannot be examined using Koch's postulates, including viruses and asymptomatic carriers.

[–]denverkris 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, i see your point. My bad.

[–]DrStrangelove 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I remember Anthony Fauci running the HIV show as well, and killing thousands with AZT

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. AZT kills the immune system and gives you AIDS.

[–]MyLongestJourney 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

AZT worked for a while but it could not compete with the high HIV mutation rate.It was clear that monotherapy did not work.Thankfully science developed HAART.AZT is still in use.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Also the fact that he thinks you wouldn't track total number of cases when evaluating a pandemic. What a clown.

[–]Questionable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well of course there is a pandemic. When you change the definition of what a pandemic is. We can have one when ever we want.

[–]Drizzt 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

we've been voluntold to be the generation that enters the internet era dark age; serfs, knights, barrens, kings and all. Good luck raising your social class.

[–]FreedomUltd 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Koch's postulates are four criteria designed to establish a causative relationship between a microbe and a disease. The postulates were formulated by Robert Koch and Friedrich Loeffler in 1884, based on earlier concepts described by Jakob Henle, and refined and published by Koch in 1890. Koch applied the postulates to describe the etiology of cholera and tuberculosis, but they have been controversially generalized to other diseases. These postulates were generated before modern concepts in microbial pathogenesis that cannot be examined using Koch's postulates, including viruses (which are obligate cellular parasites) and asymptomatic carriers. They have largely been supplanted by other criteria such as the Bradford Hill criteria for infectious disease causality in modern public health.

Koch's postulates were generated in 1890, before modern concepts in microbial pathogenesis that cannot be examined using Koch's postulates, including viruses and asymptomatic carriers.

[–]discountmeat[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is controversial about adding a virus to a healthy host and extracting the multiplied virus afterwards?

[–]Fitter_Happier 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Kotch's postulates

Doesn't apply to viruses, AFAIK.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Kotch's postulates

Doesn't apply to viruses, AFAIK.

They don't apply Koch's postulate, because viruses haven't been proven to cause illness.

They haven't been able to isolate any contagious virus outside the body. So they gave up on applying Koch's postulate.
They predict an outcome, and make an excuse to fit their assumptions.
That's called pseudoscience.

This is the smoking hoax gun.

If they can't isolate something, yet they are supposedly certain that is the cause.

A similar thing happened a couple of centuries ago.

Sailors were dying on ships. Entire crews.

It started with symptoms of illness.
Then teeth would fall out. Then these sailors would die...

It was assumed that there was a contagious disease going around.

Until some sailors started eating limes, and they healed.

There was no contagious disease. It was scurvy.

The bogus viral theory is the modern scurvy.

Scurvy scientists with scurvy pseudoscience.

[–]FediNetizen 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If there was a pandemic.... * you would count deaths and hospitalizations

We...we do that. Have you never looked at any COVID-19 stats?

not symptom-less virus carriers

How the fuck do you expect people to calculate the fatality rate of the virus if they don't know the number of cases?

you wouldn't need to tell people to stay home * you would quarantine sick people

Sorry, you must have been in a coma since 2019 before this whole story was developing. Part of what makes COVID-19 spread is that you can't always tell who is at risk of spreading it, and they can think it's just a cold or something. And even if you're not at risk of dying from it, you could spread it to someone who is.

[–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

US deaths from all causes (including murder) from March 1 to August 16 are 260k. 169k of that were from people who had covid, even coincidentally. If we use the CDC 6% figure to weed out comorbidities (already dying of cancer, morbidly obese, 92 years old, etc) we end with 10k deaths directly from covid. That's 5.5/12 months (45.83%) worth

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html Note that during a normal flu season is 12k-43k. Or for the same roughly half year amount that would come out to a 5.5k-19.7k average. So it would seem Covid is a half-way between a good and a bad flu year so far. This middling result is so mediocre its amazing we reacted to it at all. We didn't mask/social distance/shut down the economy when things were twice as bad in 2012. This just doesn't justify social or economic change.

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's because this one was planned.

[–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd like to add an addendum to my post. I could not verify the mortality.org numbers. Yes, the https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid does represent them correctly, but their current year total deaths (in covid packet) does not agree with the CDC's total yearly numbers, even though they DO agree with the covid number of 160k over that time frame.

I wanted to go verify comorbidities compared to the total death rate increase to see if the big picture lines up correctly. The best source I found that is guaranteed to accord with the CDC numbers is: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm Note how it has deaths from pneumonia with or without covid. If we take this a the primary way Covid kills, and we compare to last year's pneumonia deaths https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/04102020/nchs-data.html we should be able to subtract those and get a good estimate for Covid deaths without using the potentially tainted 'successful suicides ruled a covid death' problem.

It's about 3k/month in 2019 and it's about so far in 25k/month in 2020 so covid is about 22k/month which lines up with the original 195k. This is a good case it ignore bickering over comorbidities (smokers getting pneumonia more easily once they get covid) since it is a direct measure of cause of death. So sure the usual 94% of people who end WITH covid (.187 million) might know they are at serious risk before dying and should be the ones (along with those in their adjacent, at risk cohorts) quarantining, distancing, hand-washing, mask-wearing, showing when coming home, etc, but those are the ones the other 330 million are bending backwards for. This is the actual cost-benefit analysis.

[–]denverkris 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've known exactly 2 people who got it. One, young guy, 30's, lost his sense of smell for a few weeks. The other, early 50's, said it was like a bad flu.

[–]Fitter_Happier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The biggest question that I'm not qualified to answer is: was it engineered?

"Unusual Features of the SARS-CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route" Li-Meng Yan (MD, PhD)1, Shu Kang (PhD)1, Jie Guan (PhD)1, Shanchang Hu (PhD)1

It's CLEARLY not that deadly for healthy people.