The Talmud encourages Jews to commit all manner of criminal activity without fear of punishment, but the Jewish Encyclopedia states that the penalty for Gentiles who violate even one of the 7 Noahide Laws is death.

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[–]ctvzbuxr 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (43 children)

All religions have bad aspects about their texts and teachings, because they are ancient institutions from a time that was, by today's standards, barbaric and unscientific. What matters however is how a religious text is interpreted, and how it is lived today. The bible has problematic aspects to it, but christian teachings today for example focus more on the new testament, holding the other cheek, that kind of stuff.
This focus on Judaism as an object of hate is becoming very annoying on this site, and I must say that it discourages me from using Saidit more and more. I don't see western society (or any society) being threatened by jews. Jews have lived in our societies for centuries, contributed to our culture in meaningful ways, and were productive and often very successful members of society. Why can't you just stop obsessing over this stuff?

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

This focus on Judaism as an object of hate is becoming very annoying on this site, and I must say that it discourages me from using Saidit more and more.

Instead of arguing the points made in the OP, YOU are arguing how they make you feel AND because you're powerless to shut down the free exchange of ideas and facts, you are "threatening to leave"...

Truly and honestly, you belong on an SJW message board like Reddit. What are you even doing here?

[–]ctvzbuxr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I spent a whole paragraph arguing his points. And I am not threatening anything. I left reddit because it had become an echo chamber. It seems like the same is happening to this site. Every time I open the front page there are 3 anti-jewish memes, and people don't seem to be even trying to say anything about it anymore. Meanwhile, when I speak up about it I'm called insults and and invited to leave.

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I spent a whole paragraph arguing his points.

So you refuted his points about Talmud somewhere...Where exactly?

Every time I open the front page there are 3 anti-jewish memes, and people don't seem to be even trying to say anything about it anymore.

What a great opportunity to use the free speech on this board and prove the meme creators wrong by citing proper history or current events...

Reddit has become an echo chamber because everyone with an opposing opinion HAS BEEN BANNED AND CENSORED in different ways, not because majority has drowned the minority's voices, or even downvoted to nothing. You can't even spam downvote anyone here, everyone's opinion can be heard and appreciated WITHOUT censorship. So use those facts to your advantage, prove us wrong about Judaism, or fuck off.

[–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

To refute an argument, you can either show that the statements made were false, or that the statements made were irrelevant in regards to a certain conclusion.
I showed that the specific text passages that he quoted were irrelvant to the point that we should focus about 112% of our attention on this side on the supposed evils of one small and generally peaceful minority of people, by pointing out that what matters is not the wording of specific religious texts, but rather the implementation of those belief systems in the real world, and by pointing out that all major religions have problematic passages in their religious writing.

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

small and generally peaceful minority of people

I personally have evidence that Jews are a satanistic tribe whose ultimate goal is to break down our white Christian society and usher in their false Messiah . I mean, just in the most simplistic terms, that a normie like you could catch up on. Two current most troubling aspects of our democratic societies(Europe and US); media and banking, totally dominated by jews...also, our higher education is filled with marxist jew professors...all three are major driving force for today's racism towards white people, free speech censorship, the erosion of our Christian values and the resulting societal chaos which reverberates through out the entire world....

Users here on Saidit, including myself are trying to make sense of it by pointing out their religious beliefs and interpretations. What exactly is the driving force behind the tribe's antagonistic behavior towards white Christendom...

So, some will post facts and then others will make memes pointing out those facts in humorous and ironic ways,,,

If you have examples of POSITIVE influences of Jewish people in the West, fucking post them...

[–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I see a problem with socialsm in America, not with banking or media. Yes, large parts of the media are corrupt, the driving force behind this is socialist/communist doctrin, not jewish doctrin. Yes, the money system is fucked up, that's a result of central banks and government regulation (both socialist concepts, not jewish concepts).
Jews are often very successful in white societies because they have a high average IQ, especially in the verbal area, hence why they often pick influential positions like banking or media. Same reason why Asians often choose engineering, because they have particularly high vial/spacial skills. No conspiracy behind it.
Finding jewish contributions to society and art isn't very hard. Before you make me do a google search, Ayn Rand for example was of jewish origin and she wrote some of the most influential novels of American history (yes, she was an atheist, but jews are a people, not just a religion). I'm sure because you're not a "normie" like me, you spent a lot of time memorizing all the negative examples, but maybe you should look up some of the positives as well.

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

socialist/communist doctrin, not jewish doctrin

It's a doctrine literally invented by jews, purposed for the gentiles. What was the percentage of Jews forming the original Communist party in Russia..I forget, high 60%?!

Yes, the money system is fucked up, that's a result of central banks and government regulation (both socialist concepts, not jewish concepts).

Usury, partly invented and perfected by Jews. Federal Reserve = a jewish entity thru and thru. Socialist concepts == Jewish Concepts (for the goyim) cos their religious texts forbid placing interest loans onto other jews.

Jews are often very successful in white societies because they have a high average IQ, especially in the verbal area, hence why they often pick influential positions like banking or media.

High criminal IQ above all and deception tactics. Smoke and mirrors, tricks and sorcery. Desert thieves deeply embedded into European high trust societies.

Ayn Rand

A Godless materialist, Antichrist. Typical jew.

but jews are a people, not just a religion

They are an exclusive blood-cult of shysters with a very few exceptions.

[–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"typical jew"
That's not helping your case, I like Ayn Rand and her philosophy, even though we disagree on a few things.
"their religious texts forbid placing interest loans on other jews"
Does that mean the de-valuing of the currency through the federal reserve does not apply to jews? Do you even know what central banks do? Can jews walk into a bank and get interest free loans? Maybe I should become a jew...
"socialist concepts == Jewish Concepts" "Ayn Rand, typical jew"
Yeah, I don't know, something about this doesn't add up...

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't know, something about this doesn't add up...

That's because you're trying to add up sentences out of their original context.

""The Torah and Talmud encourage lending money without interest. But the halakha (Jewish law) that prescribes interest-free loans applies only to loans made to other Jews. Jewish law allows making loans with interest to persons who are not Jewish.[3]""

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

very successful in white societies because they have a high average IQ, especially in the verbal area, hence why they often pick influential positions like banking or media.

Yup, it's just that high IQ. Totally. That's the only reason. /s

[–]Jesus[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The new Testament, specially Yeshua's teachings only preach love.

Judaism as an object of hate is becoming very annoying on this side

Hate... see that's your problem. You think it's hate.

Jews have lived in our societies for centuries... yes, the common Jew. It is the political, arrogant and Hasidic fundamentalist Jew who pushes noahidism which is a detriment to everything Yeshua preached.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nah, they are all subhuman parasites bent on destroying us. You are being played by those whose job is to fake us into believing most jews are just normal folk.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I really don't think you should say all. I do think the lower-class jews are complicit, and guilty to a degree. My own experience tells me you are wrong, because I have jewish blood in me, and those family members do not hold to these evil ways. However, you could probably make the argument that they weren't really jews, since they weren't really following the Talmud. I would agree. BUT there are people who call themselves jews, muslims, and christians who really aren't that horrible. They are just rudder-less boats pushed by the same wind. If a stronger wind came, they wouldn't be able to keep to their ways. They don't fully understand the thing they profess to beleive.

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So you side with the evil in your genes? That's understandable. Those "people" think of YOU, even though you are a halfbreed, as less than they, if possibly more than WE goys. And if you think they'll be honest with you, you are wrong. Just ask questions. Do more than listen. OBSERVE. You might uncover some hidden discomfort at your questions that tells you something more is going on. Just remember: you are a halfbreed. You could make the human part of your soul win over the demonic part, and THEY know that.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

All religions have bad aspects about their texts and teachings, because they are ancient institutions from a time that was, by today's standards, barbaric and unscientific.

Lots of things today that are considered normal are unscientific or can be considered barbaric ie transgender ideology, celebrating men sodomizing each other in the anuses and other disgusting homosexual practices, abortion, grooming children into homosexuality and transgenderism, making children celebrated men sodomizing each other in the anus, poly-amorous relationships, cheating on one's spouse, treating dogs better than your children, making out with dogs, extra marital sexual relationships etc.

Like it or not, the ideology that is commonly followed today in the western world is no different than the religions of the past, and I would say can be considered a religion. I don't see it as anything special.

[–]ctvzbuxr 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

First of all, I'm not sure what your point is. It seems you're just contradicting me for the point of contradicting.
Second, you seem to be mixing up things that are objectively wrong (grooming children, abortion, cheating), with things may be degenerate, but not necessarily evil (transgenderism, bestiality), and with things that are perfectly natural but don't fit your personal tastes (homosexuality, polyamory). You may want to get that sorted out.

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Bestiality isn't evil? You may want to get your own philosophy sorted out. If you can't see why people have qualms with polyamorous relationships, trans, beastiality, etc. then you truly have not looked into psychohistory. These things are interesting to look into because they tend to offer NOTHING to those who do these things. It's all about them feel-goods, eh?

[–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

Again, there is a difference between personal taste and ethics.
I can, for example, explain why rape is wrong. You can not want to be raped, because rape implies that the act is involuntary, therefore, in order to accept that rape is morally good, you would have to accept that rape is both bad (as done to you) and good (as done to others) at the same time. That is not a coherent position, and therefore illogical. Therefore, arguing for rape to be ethical is impossible.
You can make the same argument about things like murder, assault, theft, etc. But you cannot make the same argument about trans poeple or polyamory. When it comes to bestiality, animals are not protected by morality the same way a more intelligent creature would be. If it is ok to kill an animal for food, then it is (morally) ok to fuck it (though, again, I find it disgusting and would never encourage it).
The ultimate goal in every person's life is happyness. Happyness is the only goal that we don't persue in order to achieve something else. Some poeple are happy when they hack their penis off. And while I may not agree with this, I do not have the right to stand in the way of their happiness, nor am I in a position to decide for them what makes them happy. I just don't think children should have their mind poisoned by this stuff.

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I thoroughly disagree with much of what you say. The ultimate goal of your life may be happiness, but it ain't mine. "It's all about them feel-goods, eh?" Don't project that waste onto me. I'm perfectly fine with life being up and down, good and bad, constantly changing between neutrals and extremes. I don't pursue happiness, and if you are, or if these trans people are, then it's no wonder that people like me are so against it all. It's no wonder that trans people tend to be very depressed and isolated, even if they are surrounded by bleeding hearts who accept their every whim. I'm not convinced its ethical to eat meat. I don't see how can you jump from "if you can eat it, you can fuck it." that's not logical. We haven't even agreed on whether or not its ok to kill an animal to eat it, so don't go jumping to its ok to fuck it. Morality and ethics can be super overlapped, and social perspectives heavily change the things that society thinks as "right" or "wrong". However, my argument, as is the argument of many philosophers, is that there is a base wisdom to morality and ethics, and every time a society moves away from this base wisdom in the name of "ethical progress", it destroys family units, long-standing communities, and proven-philosophies which will inevitably arise again in later generations to fight the new "norm". I don't support your moral relativism. It can be logically refuted, and, in fact, this discussion we are in right now is the same discussion philosophers have been debating for centuries, ever since Christianity started losing its place as top dog. If everyone in the world agreed that rape is good, people like you would say "yep, consensus is in, rape is good." I say that good = life-affirming and bad = life-negating. Those concepts are easy to understand, and can be used as lenses on all situations. Does rape produce states of being which are life-affirming for ALL parties, or life-negating for ANY parties? I think the answer is easy there, its life-negating. This way of perception includes relativity, because relativity can help with sympathetic understanding, but it doesn't treat relativity like the God's Tool so many modernists think it is.

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I say that good = life-affirming and bad = life-negating.

This, cosmically speaking, is absolutely correct.

Also, "LIFE" needs to be recognized for what it is: much much more than biological activity inside cells. As such, any thought that doesn't appeal to the divine in you is toxic and life-negating, because it can be used to justify doing life-negating things. The implications are humongous.

[–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If you think I'm a moral relativist, you haven't read what I said. I made a case for why ethics is objective and universal.
You on the other hand put forward a standard of ethics that is bound to whether something is "life-affirming" or "life-negating", which in turn is a completely subjective standard. And besides, rape can be life-affirming (let's say a woman doesn't want children), that doesn't make it ok. Regarding happiness (yes I know that's how it's spelled, I typed it wrong a few times): Your primary goal is happines too, even if you don't admit it. The things that make you happy may differ from those that me or others happy. You seem to be focusing on long-term happiness a lot more than short-term. You can eat a bowl of sugar and maybe that will make you happy for about 10 Minutes, but it decreases your happiness not long after that. But if you decide not to eat a bowl of sugar, that's because you want to maximize your happiness in the long run, which is a pretty smart strategy. But happiness is by definition that which motivates us to act. If I give a homeless person money, then because it makes me feel good to be charitable. If it made me feel miserable, I wouldn't do it. And neither would you.

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Happiness isn't the goal of life though. That would be like saying that dying is the goal of life, since to live is to suffer.

The goal of life is to attain a state where suffering becomes impossible while still alive. It might not be what you THINK life is about. And that's fine, everybody is allowed their delusions.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The goal of life is God's grace whoch can only be obtained by helping those in need. Our society is based off consumerism; more and more things that we don't need at the expense of the impoverished that produce them.

And yes, I have a computer. Technology isn't bad, in the sense, we are all born into an environment. God finds us and if you listen and follow Yeshua's instructions,
He will show you the works that need to be done.

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Not at all. But it is fine that people who believe this do this, since it is the most beneficial outlook on life that primitive mind can hold. Religion is for primitives, and the caveman lives in pretty much every human on this planet. As such, it is understandable that religion would still have an elevated place in people's hearts and minds.

But the coming Übermensch will demonstrate that religion, even pure Christian values, aren't the be-all, end-all of goals. They are one step in a very long iterative process. Each step man is guided towards the light. Every few millennia, man becomes ready for the next step. And Initiates of the Cosmic Absolutes must come and offer their message, guiding the more advanced towards the next stage.

The next stage is the end of religion and the emergence of an actual SCIENCE (not scientism) as the guiding factor of man's evolutionary journey. It is a coming of age for the evolved, where obedience to commandments and recommendations gets replaced by a metaphysical inner science of connection with the Cosmic Absolute, affording the individual an actual UNDERSTANDING of what is needed at any given moment in time, and why, and how, and the implications and the perfection of this or that manifestation of Intelligence-Love-Will.

Using religious allegorical language, one might say this:

God's love for man is perfect. As such, he gives man not only ways to not commit sin, but the ability and means to eventually grow out of the mental states that make him easy to confuse and befuddle into sinful behavior. Giving only instructions to be followed more or less blindly would be putting a limit on the potential of man, created in his image. Is this absolute, perfect love? No. It is slavery: I create you to be easily fooled and not so great that you can fully understand me, therefore you will always be inferior and limited and need my guiding hand to achieve anything good. That isn't love, it's self-agrandizing pride.

God's perfect, absolute love is to create us in such a way that our potential is truly infinite ( IN HIS IMAGE! YOU ARE PERFECT! ) and as such, we are eventually capable of becoming his equal in many respects. That is the perfect love of God. He sent his son to guide us with new (at that time) wisdom and recommendations on how to migrate, spiritually, out of the dark, towards ever more light. But it does not end there. The journey is long and man comes from a spiritually indigent history. It must be taken in steps. Remember well the extreme backlash Christ received from people rooted in older religious "wisdoms". Man is fraught with memory and as such, change is always reacted to negatively. You seem to be doing the same. It is understandable.

God, in his perfect absolute love, has given humans fine minds. These minds are still much tainted with darkness, but with sufficient effort, they can be rid of it and acquire the SCIENCE of how to shun darkness and embrace the divine spark of His presence, gifted into each of us to grow and grow and grow. If only we will let it.

And the first thing this new science allows us to reveal is that ALL THOUGHT IS FROM DEMONIC ORIGIN. It's pretty much the only truth I will reveal about the process. Some few individuals will undertake it. And when the first few achieve the first milestone of this new science, the entire world will look on in wonder and say, "Ah yes! This is what we need". Until then, historically founded, obedience-based "goodness" will have to suffice for the vast majority who cannot yet see the next step.

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I don't feel good when I do good things. In fact, my thoughts and emotions tend to make me feel like I'm guilty, or shamed, and I have to convince myself that what I'm doing is good (unlike others, where they apparently feel all accomplished when they do good things?) So, please, don't project that happiness-chasing philosophy onto me. You say mine is a more long-term goal, but I would say you are mistaking fulfillment with happiness. A woman may be able to have a life-affirming REACTION to the rape, but rape as an action is life-negating.

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It is ethical to eat animals, since they recognize that their bodies are food for others. But not all animals. Certainly dogs are dismayed by the barbaric practice of eating them.

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

God, only renounced animal eating prior to the flood, afterward, when the Eluid and Nephilim fell, God made it no sin for men to eat meat. Understand, that when I eat meat, and so too, do many societies have to, like the Eskimos to survive, I do it with the neat of intentions. None of them are abused and they have a good life; all enviormentally friendly. I see a lot pg Vegans talk about how great they are but don't realize half the crap they eat is not organic and sprayed with pesticides and industrialozed coe fertilizer that is more concern to the environment than small local organic ranging and farming.

Moral relativity is a sham. There is only one objective truth and subjective love. Solzhenitsyn was right to attack relativity.

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This is what vegans and vegetarians sponsor through their "EAT PLANTS! SAVE LIVES!" delusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2Pyu-Cj0gg

And this is the organic version. The chemical warfare one is much uglier, if a lot less visible.

I eat organic carnivore. It's the only diet I can live off of, for all its great financial cost. It's also the only diet known to not cause the diseases of civilization.

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So it's not ethical to eat all animals, but is ethical to eat some? I can understand that, but I think there should still be a line drawn. It can even be a curvy line, giving some wiggle room here and there. I should mention that I do eat meat. I help raise cattle and chickens. My heart simply isn't positive that it's ethical to eat animals just because animals eat each other, or because they are obviously not as intelligent as us. However, I know cows who have more emotional depth than half the kids I grew up with, and chickens who are better problem solvers too.

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Yes, that emotional depth is what makes them very appreciative of being given the small and easy pleasures of pasture among their peers before the slaughter, which they understand and accept. They are even thankful for it, since it is, at least in the correct places, the gentler exit door from life. Being torn apart by tigers is a lot less fun than a bullet in the head, or its equivalent.

However, they do resent thoroughly factory farming. They find it infinitely insulting, given their willingness to serve as food to begin with.

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I love your language towards these animals. I find it to be really refreshing.

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Second, you seem to be mixing up things that are objectively wrong (grooming children, abortion, cheating),

I can make the argument that modern day LGBT organizations are essentially trying to groom susceptible minors into their lifestyle, even if they don't engage with homosexual activity with minors. LGBT organizations such as Stonewall in Britain have literally infiltrated government run schools and are brainwashing children with accepting homosexuality and enforcing transgender propaganda, and the parents can't even take out their children from it. LGBT propaganda is literally integrated into system.

with things may be degenerate, but not necessarily evil (transgenderism, bestiality), and with things that are perfectly natural but don't fit your personal tastes (homosexuality,

Why is homosexuality, especially male to male homosexuality not considered degenerate according to you? Here are some statistics which shows the harm such sexual activity can do:

Of the 38,739 new HIV diagnoses in the US and dependent areas in 2017, 27,000 (70%) were among adult and adolescent gay and bisexual men.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html

The incidence of anal cancer has rapidly increased amongst men due to the prevalence of homosexuality, rising from an 8% incident rate in the 1950s to 74% in the mid 1980s.

Wexner SD, Milsom JW, Dailey TH. The demographics of anal cancers are changing. Identification of a high-risk population. Diseases of the Colon and Rectum 1987;30(12):942-6.

HIV-positive men who have sex with men are up to 90 times more likely than the general population to develop anal cancer... Abnormal anal cytology in HIV-positive men who have sex with men is highly indicative of the presence of abnormal anal cells that may be precancerous and should prompt further investigation

University of California - Los Angeles. “Study Shows That Anal Cytology Predicts Anal Precancer In HIV-positive Gay Men.” ScienceDaily, 31 March 2007. The research by Ross D. Cranston et al appears in the February issue of the International Journal of STD & AIDS.

One in eight gay and bisexual men in London living with HIV

A new report published by Public Health England (PHE) today in advance of National HIV Testing Week shows 6% of gay and bisexual men are now living with HIV, rising to 13% in London (one in eight).

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/11/18/13-of-gay-and-bisexual-men-in-london-living-with-hiv/

The anti-sodomites like to quote a 1997 study from the Journal of Sex Research that polled 2,583 older homosexuals and found that the most common number of lifetime partners fell somewhere between 101 and 500, and that 10% to 16% reported having more than 1,000.

A 2009 Australian “Gay Census” that was not restricted to age found that a quarter of homosexuals reported over 100 partners and 10% had so many they had “no idea.” The older the men were, the more likely they were to be in the over 100 or “no idea” categories.

http://takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print

In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States.

https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

Higher rates of Hepatitis B:

https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/viral-hepatitis.htm

Information on how promiscious homosexual men are:

https://archive.is/o/LRe05/advindicate.com/articles/3022

Correlation between molestation and homosexuality

In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation. This research is apparently the first survey that has reported substantial homosexual molestation of girls. Suggestions for future research were offered.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300

Look what homosexuality has done to Afghanistan, a conservative musim society that frowns upon homosexuality. If something like this can happen to a society where homosexuality is looked down upon, who is to say it cannot happen in the west?:

https://freewestmedia.com/2017/01/09/gang-rape-of-boy-in-sweden-part-of-afghan-culture/

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/nov/13/afghanistan-paedophile-ring-that-abused-over-500-boys

Are you still going to say that these things are "perfectly natural but don't fit your personal tastes"? There is lots of reasons to be against homosexuality, it is like being against incest.

I also mentioned disgusting sex acts associated with homosexuality ie fisting, anal licking etc. Are these things also "perfectly natural"? I would say they are barbaric and definitely degenerate. From what I have read, homosexuality is like a hardcore drug addiction, you build a tolerance and you want to do more and more to get the same effect, which explains the disgusting sex acts that are done, also think of porn addicts.

I far as I can tell, it seems to me that humans having disgust and aversion to homosexuality (what they call homophobia) seems to be as perfectly natural as having disgust and aversion to incest, due to all the harms that homosexuality leads to, similar to the harms that incest leads to.

polyamory). You may want to get that sorted out.

I was referring to modern day polyamory that is in line with liberal values, not old fashioned polygamy in which a man can marry multiple wives. The former is essentially not really different than cheating and having pre-marital sexual relationships.

When it comes to bestiality, animals are not protected by morality the same way a more intelligent creature would be. If it is ok to kill an animal for food, then it is (morally) ok to fuck it (though, again, I find it disgusting and would never encourage it).

Are there other atheists that try to justify bestiality?

Some poeple are happy when they hack their penis off. And while I may not agree with this, I do not have the right to stand in the way of their happiness, nor am I in a position to decide for them what makes them happy. I just don't think children should have their mind poisoned by this stuff.

At least we can agree that transgenderism should not be pushed on children. I hope you will agree that children should also not have their mind poisoned by homosexuality. Modern day LGBT organizations want to poison children with both transgenderism and homosexuality.

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If happiness is your goal, I have a solution for you: Drugs. Meth and heroin, every single day. Max dose each time. You will be happy your whole life.

[–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don't know, I don't think I will be very happy when I'm broke on the streets with organ failure. But if you don't want to be happy, then maybe amputate your limbs and blind yourself, that's a sure way to make you miserable for your whole life. And you would make me happy because you can't type stupid shit on the internet anymore.

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Then all you need is make sure as you get broke you take the most massive dose ever. Simple, really. Since pleasure is your goal, you will have achieved it to the max, and then when there is no pleasure left --> out the exit.

You don't believe in anything other than pleasure, either way, so it won't matter, you think there isn't anything after material life. Of course you might be "unhappy" afterward when you discover, as you leave your body, that life is absolutely NOT about "happiness". We are doing much greater work than that here.

If you are genuinely interested, I can offer you the meaning of life. Typed as a reply to your post. But there is no "proof" that a nihilist will be capable of perceiving. Still, the offer stands.

[–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So you are hoping to be happy in your afterlife, and you act accordingly in your present life, so that you can spend an eternity in bliss. That is very reasonable behavior, if you believe in an afterlife, which I don't. But you are proving my point. Your goal in life is happiness, just like mine. You wake up every day thinking that you will end up in heaven or whatever you believe in, and that makes you happy. If you abandon what you believe is the true purpose in life, you would be miserable because you would wake up every day thinking you would end up sodomized with a trident like us poor sinners.

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Nope, not at all. I am not religious at all. Instead I know the meaning of my life and of all human life, in a more general manner. As such, "to live is to suffer" takes on a great meaning, where the REASON for our suffering makes gives it worth enduring. Of course, for people who do not know such things, suffering seems like what's to be avoided. But a conscious being understands the futility of attempting to avoid suffering, rather than conquering it.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Notice, the article points to talmudism. Not Judaism in its entirety.