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[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Lol. Yeah, those vaccine bribes.

Get off Facebook, gramps.

You are uninformed.

Here's a study 1999 article from the NIH.

The impact of physician bonuses, enhanced fees, and feedback on childhood immunization coverage rates.

PMCID: PMC1508536 doi: 10.2105/ajph.89.2.171

CONCLUSIONS: Bonuses sharply and rapidly increased immunization cover-age in medical records.

There can be no doubt that this bribery has gotten much worse in the last 21 years.

[–]maga_espada 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Lol of course you think that study is proof of vaccine related bribery. Jfc.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

You don't trust the NIH?

Don't they supposedly "govern" the CDC (spoiler: the CDC is a privately owned institution).

Also, you responded to that almost instantly (within 3 minutes). You must have an agenda, because you clearly didn't have time to read the article.

Are you a Vaccine Industry Shill-Bot?

[–]maga_espada 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Ugh.

This has nothing to do with trusting the NIH.

A single RESEARCH study WHERE THE RESEARCHERS incentivized doctors with cash rewards to RESEARCH the efficacy of such a system is not proof that it actually happens in the real world. It's not proof that big pharma is actively bribing doctors. It's not proof of anything other than a researcher researched it.

It also wasn't an NIH study, finding, or recommendation. So it has nothing to do with trusting them. Because they also aren't saying bribery exists.

And lastly, me being bored isn't proof that I'm a shill. You stupid ass, responding in 5 minutes ALMOST INSTANTLY, yogurt head.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Pharma routinely provides incentives to doctors to promote their products. It's tellingly naive if you think otherwise.

[–]maga_espada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Please provide a single source for pharma bribing doctors to prescribe vaccines.

"You're naive if you don't agree with me" is not an argument.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

By naive, it doesn't seem like you know how the world works. Is it due to age or willful ignorance?

https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(04)00293-4/fulltext

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749379797000287

[–]maga_espada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Researchers doing research on what may lower costs of medical practices is not the same as big pharma bribing doctors.

Please provide a single source for pharma bribing doctors to prescribe vaccines.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Firstly, I never said vaccines, I said products. Understandably providing financial incentives is bad optics for Pharma, which is why in the past they have utilized insurance companies as proxies to facilitate this...from what our research has indicated. Also, a very big push by the Pharma mind fuck propaganda machine to divert attention away from their ethically questionable activity.

The links were about existing incentive programs, not pilot programs. You are missing an obvious important point however. Doctors, just like every business, place profit mark ups on their products retail, which they procure at wholesale prices. There is always financial incentive to promote drugs.

Like I said, you are naive to assume people are more important than profits in the medical machine industry.

[–]maga_espada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

And you're missing an obvious point. Vaccines are cheap and providing them will prevent costlier issues in the future. So from a purely greedy financial POV, there's no reason to give vaccines at all.

You can keep calling me naive all day long. It's fun.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ugh.

me being bored isn't proof that I'm a shill.

It's not proof, but it's obvious that you are. Most people aren't aware of the vaccination/pharma bribery, so they're never dismissive. Ever.

WHERE THE RESEARCHERS incentivized doctors with cash rewards to RESEARCH the efficacy of such a system is not proof that it actually happens in the real world. It's not proof that big pharma is actively bribing doctors. It's not proof of anything other than a researcher researched it.

It is 100% proof that the bribery is so widespread that the NIH is investigating the impact of it, and publishing the results on their own website. The bribery is a an endemic fact of the industry. It is incontrovertible proof that the system is completely corrupted.

[–]maga_espada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The NIH didn't investigate anything. You don't even understand the basic mechanism of this shit that you try to use as proof of your absurd claims. Fuck.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You don't even understand the basic mechanism of this shit

I know that the research was apparently good enough for the NIH to publish it on the NIH.gov website.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1508536/

[–]maga_espada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

NIH isn't a publisher....jfc.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You got rekd.