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[–]maga_espada 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Ugh.

This has nothing to do with trusting the NIH.

A single RESEARCH study WHERE THE RESEARCHERS incentivized doctors with cash rewards to RESEARCH the efficacy of such a system is not proof that it actually happens in the real world. It's not proof that big pharma is actively bribing doctors. It's not proof of anything other than a researcher researched it.

It also wasn't an NIH study, finding, or recommendation. So it has nothing to do with trusting them. Because they also aren't saying bribery exists.

And lastly, me being bored isn't proof that I'm a shill. You stupid ass, responding in 5 minutes ALMOST INSTANTLY, yogurt head.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Pharma routinely provides incentives to doctors to promote their products. It's tellingly naive if you think otherwise.

[–]maga_espada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Please provide a single source for pharma bribing doctors to prescribe vaccines.

"You're naive if you don't agree with me" is not an argument.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

By naive, it doesn't seem like you know how the world works. Is it due to age or willful ignorance?

https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(04)00293-4/fulltext

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749379797000287

[–]maga_espada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Researchers doing research on what may lower costs of medical practices is not the same as big pharma bribing doctors.

Please provide a single source for pharma bribing doctors to prescribe vaccines.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Firstly, I never said vaccines, I said products. Understandably providing financial incentives is bad optics for Pharma, which is why in the past they have utilized insurance companies as proxies to facilitate this...from what our research has indicated. Also, a very big push by the Pharma mind fuck propaganda machine to divert attention away from their ethically questionable activity.

The links were about existing incentive programs, not pilot programs. You are missing an obvious important point however. Doctors, just like every business, place profit mark ups on their products retail, which they procure at wholesale prices. There is always financial incentive to promote drugs.

Like I said, you are naive to assume people are more important than profits in the medical machine industry.

[–]maga_espada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

And you're missing an obvious point. Vaccines are cheap and providing them will prevent costlier issues in the future. So from a purely greedy financial POV, there's no reason to give vaccines at all.

You can keep calling me naive all day long. It's fun.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

So from a purely greedy financial POV, there's no reason to give vaccines at all.

You are very, very naive if you think a pharmaceutical injection equates to good health. It's a little strange that purely unvaccinated people have a significantly lower rate of allergies and auto immune disorders which require a lifetime of drugs and doctor visits.

Just stop with your foolishness. This is a topic you can only use appeal to authority fallacies to get on top of.

[–]maga_espada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Uh huh. Dr YouTube is about to school me. Where's the NIH research about how vaccines cause allergies? I'm ready to listen.

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Being patronizing doesn't look good on you, and a strong indicator of an inability to facilitate a cogent counter argument. At some point, it would behoove you to open your mind to predictable human nature and see the larger picture of reality.

Vaccine and allergy correlation..

https://www.jacionline.org/article/s0091-6749(05)00026-6/fulltext

...and much more.

Also not cause, but are a major modern contributor to.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ugh.

me being bored isn't proof that I'm a shill.

It's not proof, but it's obvious that you are. Most people aren't aware of the vaccination/pharma bribery, so they're never dismissive. Ever.

WHERE THE RESEARCHERS incentivized doctors with cash rewards to RESEARCH the efficacy of such a system is not proof that it actually happens in the real world. It's not proof that big pharma is actively bribing doctors. It's not proof of anything other than a researcher researched it.

It is 100% proof that the bribery is so widespread that the NIH is investigating the impact of it, and publishing the results on their own website. The bribery is a an endemic fact of the industry. It is incontrovertible proof that the system is completely corrupted.

[–]maga_espada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The NIH didn't investigate anything. You don't even understand the basic mechanism of this shit that you try to use as proof of your absurd claims. Fuck.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You don't even understand the basic mechanism of this shit

I know that the research was apparently good enough for the NIH to publish it on the NIH.gov website.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1508536/

[–]maga_espada 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

NIH isn't a publisher....jfc.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You got rekd.