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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

No, she isn't. That woman has reshaped and influenced the world in ways I can only dream of. Blackmailing the world's most powerful individuals to fulfill you goals is not losing.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

people have theorized in the past that the powerful mods of reddit are often used by a team of many people, which helps explain how they do so much. I think the evidence is strong ghislane at least started up this account years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if she let others use it though. Then though why did it stop being used as soon as she was allegedly in jail. Could be her friends and/or people that worked for her are no longer being paid so they'd also stop doing work on reddit. And they might also realize evidence might point to them so they are covering their ass.

And we shall see if she is ultimately a degenerate loser, the degenerate part is a fact but she is not a loser unless she actually does end up with jail time and not just epsteined to safety.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

The reason I wouldn't call her a "loser" pertains to a book I've read recently which I am shilling left and right.

It's about Mossad assassinations and it's called "Rise and Kill First". Politics and morality aside, it's a very fun read! At 2700+ assassinations in their 70 year history, Mossad is far and away the shadiest most lethal and evil government spy organization on Earth (and buried in Mossad is Caesaria, the "Mossad within Mossad"). Having sloppily killed off UCLA grad students, Brazillian generals, random blonde South Americans, and hundreds of harmless nuclear physicists in the Middle East often times in sovereign Western nations... combine this with Israeli espionage and scandalous treatment of its allies and you will see a clear-as-day impetus for blackmailing foreign governments. After finishing the book, it is obvious to me that Israel would literally not exist without political blackmail.

Ghislaine facilitating that is Earth shaking. Arranging for foreign leaders to drunkenly fuck 15yo sex slaves to blackmail them to allow for Israel's continued existence is not a "loser" legacy. Degenerate sure, but we all need to know when to respect our enemies for their ability. Israel itself owes it's existence to the Maxwell family and by proxy, the Maxwell family is responsible for some of the most Earth-shattering events in human history.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Any evidence she facilitated any of that?

No

Because she's just a spoilt socialite who's never been able to hold down a job in her life.

She was in a safe country but chose to leave because she's never had to do anything she didn't want to in her life before, so now she's in jail due to pure stupidity.

She spent years personally phoning up the victims and threatening them. All that needed to happen would be for one of the victims to record those calls and she would have been done for. She is very lucky that didn't happen. She didn't survive on her wits, she fell upwards.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Any evidence she facilitated any of that?

She was Epstein's madame and plenty of eye-witnesses/victims have stated that it was her job to procure the girls. Wexner was also instrumental for this purpose. She also procured most of the contacts to get various world leaders to socialize and interact with Epstein who was otherwise fairly unknown compared to Ghislaine Maxwell until the 90s. Connections like with Ehud Barak were definitely procured by Maxwell.

Otherwise, I obviously don't disagree that both individuals were stunningly sloppy and arrogant about their whole operation. Ghislaine did plenty of legwork for her father and managed smaller ventures but you are otherwise correct that she was a mostly inept spoiled socialite. The thing is, she was fearless. She succeeded at many things because she never took any barriers seriously hence why she stayed in the continental United States after Epstein was murdered; she blindly assumed that she was invincible. Facilitating this was her upbringing, compromising material she had on world leaders, and her powerful connections.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You didn't answer if she facilitated any of the Mossad stuff in your post.

We know about the Epstein stuff.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You didn't answer if she facilitated any of the Mossad stuff in your post.

I can only speculate here. That's not something that is blatantly stated, the best I can offer is circumstantial evidence.

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

she's just a spoilt socialite

You're high. She was instrumental to Epstein blackmail operation. Even the MSM goes into detail about this.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not disputing that side of it.

But she's nasty, not clever.

She's Rose West to Epstein's Fred, neither of those were smart either but they still got away with it for decades.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He's actually correct. Many of the rich and powerful felt safe around her because she would just take them to a fashion show or underwear shopping and they would all get cocktails later in the evening. Nothing that she did really indicated that she was deliberate and thoughtful; what set her apart was the same thing that set her father apart- pure ruthlessness and fearlessness.

You can kind of see this with her "leak" of her at a restaurant reading a book on CIA killings. It was a stupid ploy that everyone saw through immediately. Not exactly a mark of a calculating genius. I'm sure someone told her that it was a dumb idea but she didn't give a fuck; she's Ghislaine Maxwell and she's infallible and invincible.