Ponder this: There are so many violent shows, thousands, of which depict muslims murdering people but flip it; imagine a show, just one, where Jewish Likdnik supremacists murder muslims? A show depicting this would be shunned and would never air.

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[–]AmbroseBierce 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

Not to mention the earlier seasons of NCIS, which looked at it, though not in a nuanced way

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

That's two. Does it equal te thousands of muslims portrayed as terrorists?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Their religion calls for mass slaughter of "infidels" while they are could also technically pass as christians, since their holy book mentions Jesus as the son of god. It's a completely schyzophrenic religion that needs only one thing: to be wiped off the face of the Earth.

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Does it though? I've never met a muslim that wasn't nice. And none of them that I have met want to destroy or murder anyone that I know of. /u/azaad is a muslim, maybe he can give you a different perspective.

Their are certainly branches from the Islamic sects, Sunni extremists, and those of history that branched from the Assassins Islamic sect but the Quran does not teach anyone to murder someone.

In fact, many of the murderous islamic sects of history were anti-religiousand built very much like Freemasonic Lodges in that they were told in higher degrees that religion was a holdback meant to keep people in check. They would relinquish their religiosity for their leader that they believed was of God. In that murder then did not become sin.

These are all generalizations but Nesta Webster does touch on Islamism in her book "Secret Societies".

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

So all those "nice muslims" taking over neighborhoods in Sweden and torching streetfuls of cars in the night are all made up stories?

All those "nice muslims" that are preventing non-muslims from circulating in THEIR OWN HOME STREETS and imposing Sharia law everywhere are being kind?

I am sorry my dude, but you are drinking the koolaid. Yes, some muslims are relatively civilized. When solo among whole crowds of "strangers"... or is it VILE INFIDELS?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Yes, some muslims are relatively civilized.

Well, if some Muslims are civilized, Islam must not be as malicious as it is made out to be. I never had Islam pushed on me (at least successfully), I chose it because of the rhetorical complexity of the Quran and my relationship to that complexity. I can tell you quite confidently that the Quran is not malicious, you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get a malicious outcome from the Quranic canon. Now, this doesn't mean there aren't deep cultural problems within Islamic societies which are quite often religious in nature to some extent at least and are almost unanimously sourced to Islamic apocrypha (aka hadith). You're entitled to your beliefs but I'd urge you to look at this issue with a bit more nuance. When trying to refute an idea, I'd suggest you find the smartest person advocating for that idea and argue with him. Refute his ideas in good faith instead of going for the arguments which are easy to make and "win". I think that is an important strategy regardless of what you're arguing or talking about.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

RELATIVELY civilized. I am sure some muslims don't practice much. The better muslims. I don't care about what's written in the book. I care about what its practicioners do. They destroy the world. It's bad that they do so. And they have that religion. If it were truly about "fighting evil" they wouldn't try to destroy civilization.

What you are saying is akin to "Catholic clergy is fine because the Bible speaks of doing good." While in fact it does, but that doesn't prevent the Catholic clergy from being a pedophile, homosexual mafia of money laundering and other horrendous crimes.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

"Catholic clergy is fine because the Bible speaks of doing good."

I have no problem with Catholicism either. The Bible speaks of doing good and they're Christian. I'm only being slightly facetious here ;)

Seriously though, abuse of power happens in every institution that gains power, that isn't unique to Catholicism.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You speak of "conflating" the religion itself with its practitioners. That's my point: you seem to conflate the practitioners with the religion. We use opposite associative directions. But it was said: "you will know them by their fruit"... So these MUSLIM SAVAGES might not be MUSLIM SAVAGES BECAUSE of their religion directly. Maybe it's the Muslim clergy abusing its power and radicalizing these "poor victims of brainwashing" or however else you want to slice it.

The end result is the same: We still have hordes of muslim savages descending on the civilized world and destroying it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We still have hordes of muslim savages descending on the civilized world and destroying it.

I said as much as I'm going to say. If you want to look at the world through this lens, it is your God given right but I am firmly convinced it is not accurate and if you honestly try to understand what I'm saying with an open mind, you'll understand where I'm coming from when you fact check me. Most people in America own guns and most of them are Christian. Does this make gun ownership a Christian principle? You decide.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You speak of "conflating" the religion itself with its practitioners. That's my point: you seem to conflate the practitioners with the religion

Nah man, you have a very narrow minded approach to this. No one group or individual represents Islam, every group and individual claiming to be Muslim collectively does. It is difficult to parse through but minority opinions count! There is a lot of internal diversity within the religion, you have to look at the nuances and differences among the various groups identifying as Muslims. If you get two Muslims together, they won't even agree on the method of prayer, religion is open ended and there aren't clear answers. The only thing Muslims ever agree on is the importance of the Quran. Here you are on the outside with pretty much no knowledge of the culture, the Quran or the problems and you think you understand it well. That is fine but you make the most malicious assumption about what others hold sacred. That is also your right but I'd urge you to just check the ego a bit and at least try to understand where I'm coming from.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

So all those "nice muslims" taking over neighborhoods in Sweden and torching streetfuls of cars in the night are all made up stories? All those "nice muslims" that are preventing non-muslims from circulating in THEIR OWN HOME STREETS and imposing Sharia law everywhere are being kind?

We're conflating a bunch of issues here I think which have nothing to do with religion. When you take in a bunch of refugees from a literal war zone, they come with a lot of baggage and mental health issues, don't you think? I think they pretty obviously do and that plays a much bigger role than anything else with any problematic behavior you may see from people taken in from war zones or who are fleeing desperate situations. When Muslim doctors and engineers immigrate, they don't cause any problems and are productive members of society and they represent the vast majority of Muslims immigrating to the West.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

OK so those muslims aren't savages BECAUSE of their religion, they are simply so, for other reasons, and their religion is just an innocent bystander. It is simply circumstantial that these savages all have that same religion. Color me doubtful.

OK so maybe they are more inclined to violence than most other people... And they happen to be muslim and it's not their fault and it's not the Quran's fault if they take it "the wrong way" because of their proclivity for violence.

Yeah, no.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

It is simply circumstantial that these savages all have that same religion. Color me doubtful.

Well, you also have Jewish savages... and Christian savages. Every group, whether religious or not, is going to have some criminals. You really can't blame the group without a higher burden of proof. We all use Saidit. If a Saidit user goes out and shoots someone tomorrow, are all Saidit users potential murderers? Either way, religion is a very broad phenomenon which crosses racial and ethnic barriers along with even cultural ones sometimes. Religious culture is often localized to various different factors including ethnicity, location and a variety of other things. A Muslim from Canada is going to think and behave very different from a Muslim from Africa and they are all going to think and behave differently from Muslims from elsewhere. Often times, cultural problems are localized to region, ethnicity and a variety of other factors, you can't just boil it down to "Muslims are evil because they have an evil religion".

It is simply circumstantial that these savages all have that same religion. Color me doubtful.

Yikes, I think you've been watching a little bit too much mainstream media for me to get through to you. Like I pointed out earlier, most Muslims who immigrate to the West are doctors and engineers, they contribute to society otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to come. I don't see how that is savagery. I mean I'm still engaging with this conversation respectfully even though I consider it quite insulting. How is that savagery? A lot do come from more poorer backgrounds. For you to think of them as savages is one thing but I think it is unfair to blame religion.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

OK well here's a little kicker for you: I have not absorbed a single piece of mainstream media in... well over 5 years. It might be 10 years, I don't know, other than the occasional, obligatory movie with wifey.

So, let's take an example, this nice 60-year-old muslim with his new 9-year-old wife, that he's going to rape while she screams her head off: https://www.bitchute.com/video/WtSlTnQ83Hq5/

You're telling me his being a Muslim HAS NOTHING TO DO with the heinous crime he's committing? That's only "his ethnic traditions" and has nothing to do with his religion huh? OK, let's say I believe you. Just imagine now that he's a Christian, living in a Christian land. He does the same, because it's "his ethnic tradition". What's going to happen to him?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You're telling me his being a Muslim HAS NOTHING TO DO with the heinous crime he's committing?

Didn't say this, you're putting words in my mouth. Learn to pick up on a bit of nuance if you want to talk about complex subject matter. I said religion obviously plays a role but it is never as simple religion causing these people to become violent. The primary sources, namely the Quran, is just simply not malicious, or is just as malicious as the Bible. Religion also is localized to different regions, this much is fact. Christianity in Africa looks different from Christianity in Australia

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You've probably only met the Trojan horse muslims then.