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[–]fred_red_beans 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well, let's hope the "conspiracy theorists" do win.

People like the author, Jeffery Goldberg, who say nothing but "everything I disagree with is a conspiracy theory" have little to offer to society.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Truth and sane governance, real journalism vs propaganda, a republic vs an oligarchy or technocracy or cryptocracy, is not a competition or game. It is reality and illusion, and frequently life or death.

The cat is frickin out of the bag, the youth are not going to buy this crap anymore.

To quote Mr. Glover, "Because the internet."

Gates' foundation is, uh, a big donor to the atlantic. Correct me if Im wrong, last I checked 500k last year. Richest man gives out 30 billion in charity as world goes to hell, good job, great job, pat yourself on the back.

I mean really, its shit like this Bill, if that is even your real name.

You cant have two dueling 0 creditiliby mainstream channels who simply forget their own failures("we will be greeted as liberators") and ("19 hijackers") and ("windows vista is a great product") and ("Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman and anyone who thinks otherwise is a conspiracy theorist") and (I could go on and on) and then expect everyone to keep believing you.

To even write this without saying "conspiracy theorist" is a term created out of a conspiracy to kill our president, makes me wonder if this article was written by bozo the clown. Let me check....

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Goldberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Goldberg

FFS this guy is dual national israeli, talk about gaslighting extreeeeeme.

I do not want to hear anymore jewish journalism ever, israelis are welcome to it but gtfo with this garbage wall of lies. Apparently I am not the first to notice this person pretending to be a journalist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OGmrs2GWRU

I dare anyone to find me a single article from Mr. Goldberg about Jeffrey Epstein. I checked back to 2016 or so, cursorily but nope. He is not concerned about girls being raped and trafficked for victorias secret, that is just normal to him, not even on a slow news day.

https://www.theatlantic.com/search/?q=Epstein xcheck for Goldberg, I dont have all day to sort, but first two pages show no mention of epstein, at all, by the guy lamenting that people are aware of conspiracies.

Pass this on to mr goldberg and the rest of the israeli spies on the us media: https://archive.is/NFIe4

No we dont need any more jewish rape oligarchs in the united states or their dual national journalists to enable them.

I have a lot of gall, but not as much as this traitor and rape enabler.

We are the media now. Get used to it.

Bonus: https://archive.ph/MTuBz consider themselves

https://archive.ph/aSHRw danger compared

https://archive.ph/JTZm7 fear and anger

https://archive.ph/m5UVu imagine wakanda

https://archive.is/eL2Lb my ep twitter

https://archive.is/HTALt i trust

https://archive.is/9AP2G ehud

https://archive.is/hloUM salvadore dali

https://archive.is/Bo0ou flag of ep

https://archive.is/jkjA6 wiki before after

If this shit does not piss you off as an american, maybe you are not an american and should leave. Or be kicked out.

[–]Optimus85 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

From Wikipedia: He left college to move to Israel, where he served in the Israeli Defense Forces as a prison guard during the First Intifada at Ktzi'ot Prison, a prison camp set up to hold arrested Palestinian participants in the uprising. There he met Rafiq Hijazi, a Palestine Liberation Organization leader, college math teacher and devout Muslim from a refugee camp in the Gaza Strip, whom Goldberg describes as "the only Palestinian I could find in Ketziot who understood the moral justification for Zionism". Mossad agent?

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

doesnt matter, sayanim is also a thing, a lot of the jewish religion IS a conspiracy and as an outside it is difficult to tell. It is actually in the talmud to attack and enslave other cultures.

I dont think anyone without military training is a mossad agent, and I dont really like to run around saying people are outright spies when the ratio of spies to helpers-of is lke 1000:1. Hasbara though, yes. Which means any lie, any omission, that will result in benefit to israeli, zionism, judaism.

And that is the opposite of what a journalist is, AND the opposite of what an american citizen should be.

Mutliculturalism does not mean any culture gets to be a cult and subvert the country, and epstein.

[–]hennaojichan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Conspiracies in the US in the year 2020? Never happen. Isn't The Atlantic on a list of publications that receive money from China?

[–]Vigte[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The phrasing of the sub-title: "America is losing its grip on enlightenment values and reality itself." could be material for conspiracy research itself.

I guess the modern man isn't "illumined" enough, eh Jeffrey Goldberg

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

israeli zionism and their cult is the exact opposite of enlightenment values

enlightenment values last I checked were for separation of church and state, individual liberty, independent business.

zionists and most jewish people work against these values 24/7, so mr goldberg can hardly be counted on to champion these principles, so one of biggest farces I have ever seen in print.

I welcome any jewish person to come here and show me their work for the enlightenment principles, I would love to be demonstrated wrong. If they have a break from inciting racial hatred between white, hispanic and black people on their news channels, while ignoring epstein.

https://archive.is/kJKap cnbc fail

https://archive.is/blM4a robach fail And here, have some og my decultification.org memes, make sure everyone in the us and western militaries sees these plz thanks because the threat is real, china is up to this b.s. too: https://archive.ph/T95pm probable cause

https://archive.is/Eu1Z4 incite civil war

https://archive.is/YkJr8 zersetzung

https://archive.is/TmRS6 trafficking

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Isn't zionism simply the political aspect of judaism though. Think about it, the Talmud says "enslave and destroy other cultures, they are animals". What does zionism do? Exactly that.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Goldberg... most of the truth incorporated crowd are cointelpro anyway... Goodman, Geroge Webb, and many others. Others are CIA agents, FBI agents, and FSB multilateralists.

[–]Optimus85 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That was a reductionist, conflating and chauvinistic piece of shit opinion piece. As if "reality" needs to be moulded by what the media and government shoves down our throats. They present us fabricated truths and cry foul when critical thought enabled individuals deconstruct their narrative. Problem is, the dissenters are few and far between.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I dont think so, I think nearly everyone not in on it at this point is dissenting about something.

They wouldnt be trying to censor memes and archive.is, so urgently, plus articles like this, and vice news race war baiting, and project veritas b.s., if we were an insignificant demographic.

[–]Optimus85 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

True. I just have low expectations of the general public.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Or do you have high expectations of those who control the media to keep everyone in the dark and separate them from science, reason and their rights?

[–]Optimus85 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, they have the means and resources and are quite ubiquitious.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How is project veritas BS?

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

opaque funding sources, a "project" is not a newspaper, "veritas" means truth so he is just saying he is a project for absolute honesty in a manipulative way that sounds erudite, he goes after poor people and not rich people, his leaks are poison pill psy ops, he himself is a total jerk, everything he does benefits israeli zionism, everything he does generates meaningless conflict.

Basically everything about project veritas is wrong and everything he does is the exact opposite of something I would trust, and when I pointed this out on voat, and here, I get attacked by obvious shill armies, which only reinforces my point.

And of course "playing dumb" shills baiting meaningless arguments like you.

"i was born yessterday how can someone who calls themself truf not be truf, i dont get it, waste your time explaining the history of the world to date pwetty pweez"

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hey now, no need to get pissy, I asked a simple question. Not everybody is a full-time investigator of everything like you.

What I saw of Veritas were his blowing the whistle on google's "fairness in search" type of BS and their agenda, and also on that - was it CBS? - reporter who had the Epstein child sex slavery ring story for 3 years forced to keep it quiet while innumberable little girls were getting raped.

I don't see how any of this benefits zionism or how they are poison pill psy ops. But I have not STUDIED EVERYTHING THEY DO EXTENSIVELY, which appears to be your case. Don't spit on people who don't do the exact same thing you do. It is very bad manners and reflects terribly on you. I think I saw somewhere that you have a site. Now you can be DAMNED SURE I'll never buy a single thing from there. Good job, keep it up. ;-)

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

shill tactic - deflect shill tactic - make it personal shill tactic - extreme passive aggressive bullshit

yawn get a real job

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

We are losing our grip on reality though. People legitimately think that you can flip flop gender, that there is no biological basis for sex, that there is no way to measure intelligence, that global warming is the biggest threat we face, that America is the most racist country in the world, that white men are handed everything, that there is an epidemic if rape in colleges, that you can't be racist against white people, and that the only thing that determines wealth and success is a system of power and oppression.

Fucking nuts.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Question is, how many people truly believe all that?

Yes, the hard left are losing their grip but since the left is also the left of the IQ bell curve, that was never a big deal to begin with.

[–]Isidend 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Disagreeing with IQ =! no way to measure intelligence...

that there is an epidemic if rape in colleges

There really is an epidemic of violence and attacks in colleges. The whole educational system sucks and is only propaganda. Not surprising

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Disagreeing with IQ =! no way to measure intelligence...

What?

There really is an epidemic of violence and attacks in colleges

No there is not. There is an epidemic of stupidity spreading through academia that allows for propaganda to be spread so long as it is leftist propaganda. The rule is if it supports leftist ideology no evidence is needed and of it opposes it no evidence is enough. This culture of course accepts feminist claims without question. Claims like: if a woman is intoxicated and consents to sex it is still rape. And even if she changes her mind later it is still rape. Colleges have invented new levels of retardation.

There is zero evidence to show that there is more violence, sexual or otherwise, on college campuses vs the rest of society.

[–]Isidend 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I don't think the way IQ tests are done accurately measure intelligence. Doesn't mean that they aren't other ways to measure intelligence accurately.

There is zero evidence to show that there is more violence, sexual or otherwise, on college campuses vs the rest of society.

Of course there is A LOT OF evidence pointing towards this. Like the fact that school itself isn't voluntary is already a VERY BIG act of violence towards all these students. Pressure by parents: violent parenting and pressure by brothers and sisters, If you dare questioning whether school is good or if you don't give a f*ck about grades, "you're gonna be in trouble!"

The fact that there is zero consequences for people collaborating with this kind of violence prove that no one give a fuck about violence on campuses.

That's like trying to argue that there is no rape in indoctrination camps. You can't.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What you described is not even violence. And college is absolutely not mandatory.

I don't think you have any clue how IQ tests are actually done. The very fact that IQ tests can make accurate predictions like grades, life expectancy, and lifetime wealth attainment proves that they are accurate.

You could make the argument that Q is a better measure if intelligence, but there is not as much testing done with it because of the suppression of intelligence testing by academia.

It makes accurate predictions and that proves it works. Claiming otherwise is denying science.

[–]Isidend 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

When I said that It was mandatory, I meant that the earlier school days were literally mandatory (and thus violence. Public education system = violence) and at the point you're going to college, parents will be likely to pressure the decision, anyway.

Secondly, learning in college is an inefficient way of doing it, most of the times but I don't want to go into too much detail for this point.

It makes accurate predictions and that proves it works. Claiming otherwise is denying science.

Wealth, grades and life expectancy have nothing to do with intelligence.

Grades have more to do with obedience/compliance, wealth really depends on where you start and HOW you acquire it and life expectancy depends more of the lifestyle.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Wealth, grades and life expectancy have nothing to do with intelligence.

So it is just a coincidence the more intelligent people get better grades, live longer, and accumulate more wealth on average?

Seriously my guy, your brainwashing is next level if you believe that.

I am not talking about the bullshit grade your English teacher gives you, I am talking about the objective results of standardized testing. You either know how to do the math problem or you don't.

Intelligent people make better lifestyle choices. They also know how to take care of themselves better when their body begins to break down with age. They don't fall for the bullshit treatment scams like vitamins that cure cancer. Instead they research their condition and find the best treatment.

And wealth is pretty fucking obvious to anyone not stupid enough to gobble down the entire leftist dick and balls narrative of "muh everything is power and oppression"

[–]Isidend 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think this is more of a semantics problem. What I meant was: I don't think (thinking) skill between activities translate well at all. You may be able to solve complex maths problems, but be a terrible connect four/checkers/chess players after 3 years of serious training.

So your definition of "intelligence" is probably already dubious in the first place. Intelligence is the ability to understand concepts (vary a lot depending on what is studied: some people can't understand maths but find science easy to understand), to learn (same thing), reasoning/problem-solving/planning/creativity etc (always the same thing)

So the fact that you may find a "number" to measure intelligence "in most fields) is a dubious concept at best.

Sure for people who have 8000 IQ, nooo shit they're smart thanks sherlock. But for people who have a way lower than average IQ it's extremely misleading and doesn't mean anything. It also doesn't reflect anything when someone is close to the average.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think (thinking) skill between activities translate well at all.

Well guess what, actual science has proven you wrong. Studies show that there is a lot of overlap in technical fields. The only thing that has not been linked are made up "intelligences" like emotional intelligence which was only invented to obfuscate the fact that some people are smarter than others. Also you are conflating skills and intelligence. Or to be more precise skills and IQ.

IQ is a very specific measurement of the ability to solve problems. It is conceptually very similar to understanding things, as you put it. However, the way you put it is vague and doesn't have a concrete meaning. However, solving problems is easily definable. You can either figure out the puzzle or not, and you either do it fast or slow. That is what IQ is.

Someone with a high IQ will "figure out" math or science or whatever else faster than someone with a lower IQ. Very reliably. That does not mean that they are born with the ability to do "difficult math" and as such testing people using math problems does not reveal their IQ. However, when you test apples to apples, for example 10th graders, you find that higher IQ translates to better math, science, and reading comprehension scores.

So no, IQ does not vary depending on what you studied. Your understanding of a particular subject will, but you can't derive IQ from testing a subject. IQ test do not have any questions in them that require knowledge of any subject.

some people can't understand math but find science easy to understand

This is not something that is scientifically proven. People have preferences but the actual studies show the opposite of what you are claiming. They show that on average if you are good at math then you are good at science. This is the perfect example of "if it supports my argument I don't need evidence". People's feelings about how well they do, and the social narrative of everyone has a thing they are good at, is not science.

It also doesn't reflect anything when someone is close to the average.

first of all IQ is generally measured from 50 to 150. Second, you need to stop with these baseless claims you are pulling out of your ass. IQ has been scientifically shown to be able to make predictions. Obviously there is some variability, but when you measure groups of people it is the most accurate measure of test scores of anything ever tested including wealth, parental education, or any other excuse liberals use to explain discrepancies. It beats all of them hands down; literally by an order of magnitude. You need to stop denying reality.

[–]Isidend 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Studies show that there is a lot of overlap in technical fields.

You have a lot of things to explain, then! Like the fact that some people are able to memorize entire deck of cards, but have a poor memory in real life (can't forget where they put their keys!). People learn by chunks in their fields, but most of the time, once they encounter a scenario that's too unfamiliar they are completely lost. I mean It's obvious and It's normal (eg: memorizing random letters vs memorizing complete sentences).

Another thing you seem to forget is that the brain is a lot less powerful to solve and remember boring things. If the IQ test is boring (it will probably be), I'd probably struggle a lot more, than saying studying/solving something interesting.

They show that on average if you are good at math then you are good at science.

Heh, then a lot of people I know are the exception too. Good to know. But again, you're excluding the fact you'll perform worse at things that don't interest you. I'm really curious by what you mean by "on average"...

Obviously there is some variability, but when you measure groups of people it is the most accurate measure of test scores of anything ever tested including wealth, parental education

Then IQ is really inaccurate or everyone must score terribly in this aspect. Seeing how parental education is in a terrible state right now, every parent forcing their kids to go to school and don't hesitate to become the number 1 enemy of their own child... If the only people scoring high aren't unschoolers, I consider your metric VERY inaccurate for this aspect.