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[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

Hey, I have to be frank with you, there are many Christian freemasons dupped into becoming members, sometimes lifelong members, who never reach the 33rd degree or 99th in the Mizzrim/Memphis lodges and so too there are many benign lodges that do not teach or adhere to the Orient revolutionary practices of the Bolsheviki types. Freemasonic lodges have a long history of controversey between the outside world but more interestingly between different lodges.

Paul doesn't pass the 9/11 litmus test ; the video I recently linked on Paul more illustrates that he is a conman, than just his freemasonic membership. He is part and parcel of coning the American people.

Andrew Jackson was a Freemason and he ended the archipelago British banking establishment in the US. Curiously, he was funded by the Frankfurt banking establishment in competition with the Whigs and British banking establishment, of whom fomented a civil war only for the Frankfurt Jews and Swiss Geneva families to win. Such as Schiff, Loeb, Warburg and Seligmann who took over, and reconstructed the already existing corporation with help from their politically funded lackeys and industrialists.

As for Freemasonry; here's a Freemason who shows us everything wrong with money and our banking system:

http://www.yamaguchy.com/library/mcgeer/mcgeer.html

He is a liberal but classical in the sense that he is actually more of a conservative than compared to the Republicans of today. Of course, this man believes that government can regulate without becoming corrupted but isn't already? Isn't deregulation simply the regulation of a class?

He writes:

Up until the end of the first quarter of the present century popular opinion had been successfully deluded by bankers and financiers into the common belief that national currency could only be issued upon a basis that made its redemption in gold a practical possibility. That delusion formed the foundation of a private money system that was designed to permit bankers and financiers to convert public credit into private credit finance by the creation of fictitious bank deposits which were, in turn, pyramided into public and private interest-bearing debts. Government interest-bearing bonds are thus used to form the foundation of the modern private banking system. Public credit in this way is used to support the most powerful predatory monopoly in finance that has ever been organized.

So, while he has many good points, being a Freemason and all, we mudt also take into account the governmental lackeys acting as thr mafia for thr banks. These people, unfortunately, happen to outnumber those representatives for the people and aginst usury and permanent public debt.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

interesting, i just wrote about rp failing the litmust test in another thread a second ago

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

did you know that liberals (under the same name) also existed in rome struggling with the upper class patricians. nothing ever changes

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

I did, actually, from the 'New Rome,' book.

I learned that the idea of kingship was central in the dark ages because duty and community was a means to aquire privileges so as to uphold stabilty and morality. In many countries property was a right, only if duties were met. This sounds completely authoritarian to some, and provides a person with no means to aquire profit or seek what he so desires but it did create some kind of stability. The crazy thing is, not all Kings followed the will of Christ ; banning usury and loving his brothers as they love him, crazy I know. /s Many Liberalists and those who pushed a republican form of government would entice the monarchies and kings. The problem was their was a moneypower lurking, whether it be the Dutch, Swiss, English or later the Frankfurt bankers who would use these revolutions, these people, to unknowingly FRONT THEIR CAUSE.

The City of London was of course the hotspot for the money manipulators and with England's permanent public debt they were able to fund their colonies and war paying back the bankers at interest via the collateral of the people. This eventually went onto destroy England in some ways. But very much what happened to them, is happening to the US today.

And as for Napoleon, I know you believe him to be a Jesuit lackey, for he may be one, however, I do believe he was demonstrably against the money power and British banking establishment, in so that he made himself a banker.

Napoleon knew and exposed more than any other leader at that time the schemes of the international money power. I can not in anyway failt him for that, but IRONICALLY, like Andrew "I killed the bank", uttered upon his death bed, he actually never said that"" Jackson, the Freemason, who was connected to the Rothschilds, so wasn't Napoleon!!!! Who, has many notable thankyous from the Rothschilds in their Versailles mansion, which I believe is a museum now. So, could it have been different banking establishments and their lackeys fighting another banking establishment and their lackeys?

What I'm learning is that one need not be concerned of their ethnicity, heritage or beliefs, but it should be noted nonetheless ; rather their schemes and the human nature on how they do it, how they bludgeon future generations into debt destruction, pillaging and eventually leaving nothing left. They are parasites, whether it be JP Morgan who was a Catholic I believe, or Seligmann, a Jew. The point is that until PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND the nature of our money, nothing will change.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

it is interesting, if you read the ancap wiki page for historical examples, they say something similar about the office being attached to wealth and they would change hands together. in pre-christian iceland that is..

there is a chance that money will be an abstract idea for most people soon, when they outlaw cash, making this last bit you wrote even more difficult than it is today.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, those historical examples illustrate that that kind of system can eventually fall into the monied aristocracy and the moneylending bankers. It allows them to have mich more reign in a free market system, which the neoliberals and Libertarians advocate for.

...limiting the state was based (for Locke) on a consent theory.

So, then if almost everyone consents, even tacitly, that provides the legal agreement? That statement alone illuatrates a theory bankers would love.

Though, some Libertarians believe the government must regulate ONLY to uphold the liberties and freedom of man. Property, privacy, liberty and such, or maybe that's just the cushy rhetoric they give you at the front door.

And don't a lot of ancaps advocate for social credits?

Ayn Rand [A Jew ; against Bolshevism] but later had a falling-out. When interventionist Cold Warriors of the National Review, such as William F. Buckley Jr., gained influence in the Republican Party in the 1950s, Rothbard quit that group and briefly associated himself with left-wing antiwar groups.

He believed that the Cold Warriors were more indebted in theory to the left and imperialist progressives, [Woodrow Wilson Types ; is it not HILARIOUS how progressives then were warmongers and now they are supposedly the opposite in many ways? Sort of like the Republicans today?] especially with respect to Trotskyist theory. [Yes because Trotskyite commies shape-shift political ideology.]

Rothbard opposed the founding of the Libertarian Party, but joined in 1973 and became one of its leading activists.

Many of Rothbard's works, such as the history of central banking are decent reads, though I believe Libertarianism is just a front for the money power ; sort of like how Austrian Economics and the Ron Paulers are a front for the Rothschild's.

A postage stamp celebrating the thousandth anniversary of the Icelandic parliament—according to a theory associated with the economist David D. Friedman, medieval Icelandic society had some features of anarcho-capitalism; chieftaincies could be bought and sold and were not geographical monopolies; and individuals could voluntarily choose membership in any chieftain's clan.

Seems like that is the only real historical example of this ancapism. It makes sense though, considering Iceland's geographical location and its low population density, plus it hadn't modernized yet.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

I can't find amything about an office in Iceland?

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I found it. Well, I mean the idea that justice is sold by the victims rather than purchased as mentioned in the wiki article is rather ingenious and would work to preserve freedom, rather than have the BAR association do it for you, thus relinquishing your rights.

I'm always skeptical of people like Friedman. There indeed existed a system like this in Iceland during mid-evil times, today Iceland is one of the richest countries in the world and has I believe, one of the highest living standards. The people chose to kick out the bankers in 2009, rather than bail them out.

...harassment from Norwegian kings that began around AD 1000 forced the people of Iceland to accept Christianity as the national religion, which paved the way for the introduction of a compulsory tax in AD 1096 which was to be paid to the local chieftain who owned a churchstead. This, he believes, gave an unfair advantage to some chieftains who at least in part did not need to rely upon the voluntary support of their clients in order to receive some income.

The author then goes unto use the idea as having too little privatization as the cause of the downfall. I think this is rather convoluted. One reason being that he is a Libertarian and another, that there was a foreign enemy that imposed their will, Christiandom (not real Christianity ie. The Way) on Pagans. This among others was the downfall whoch erected a system of indulgence and profit seeking among chieftains many who became the middlemen for this foreign influence.

That alone illustrates that like there, this had and is happening in the US on all angles, as noted in my other posts. (Geneva, England, Dutch, and Frankfurt banking interests.)

Thus, it does not matter what religious or non-religious influence they are imposing but how they are imposing it and what the scheme entails.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

in a nutshell, ancap rules! :-)

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't really adhere to any economic ideology, as long as parasitism isn't part of it ; or if it doesn't eventually devole into it.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

So, you still want state control but through private contractors with no oversight. Lets say this private security sector starts to attack your rights? Then what?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

And I believe their are many decent criticism directed at Ancapism.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

statists

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

...national banks, bankrupt laws, a vast and permanent public debt, high tariffs, heavy direct taxation, enormous expenditures, gigantic and stupendous peculation, anarchy first, and a strong government afterward — no more State lines, no more State governments, and a consolidated monarchy or vast centralized military despotism –Vallandigham, Wednesday, July 10, 1861.


These are the architects of Reagan’s “rightwing” administration, the usual flimflam in which the same tired old Marxists are trotted out as the inspired libertarians of a world run by the “Hard Right”!

Ever wonder why a lot of the right-wing crowd are pro-Putin?

Charles Koch of Kansas, head of Koch industries, who amassed a fortune of $700 million.  He also funds the Libertarian Party, which calls for opening U.S. borders to all illegal immigrants, legalizing of drugs, and other alarming recommendations.  Koch funds these groups through his bank, Morgan Guaranty Trust of N.Y. Cato gave a two year grant to Rothbard to write a book, “For a New Liberty”, which says, “Before World War II, so devoted was Stalin to peace that he failed to make adequate provision against Nazi attack.”  Rothbard should have said, “So devoted was Stalin to murder that he killed most of his Army officers, leaving him vulnerable to Nazi attack.”  Rothbard asserts that the U.S. is imperialist and war-mongering, while the Soviet Union is peace-loving, rational and misunderstood !  The Cato Institute magazine Inquiry lists 9 staff writers, among them Natl Hentoff of the Village Voice, Marcus Raskin, head of the Institute for Policy Studies, and Penny Lernoux, correspondent of the Nation, all of whom would be hurt if they were not described as extreme liberals.

--- Eustace Mullins

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No, the idea that it would eventually espeically in a modernized world lead to plutocratic city states and devole into tyranny.

The complete opposite of Ezra Pound's Fascism.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The exalted liberalism of Christian philosophy cannot be condemned because it has never been tried.

I just find identity politics odd because time changes the definitions and ideology of parties and more importantly words. Left ad right could mean different things for a 200 years ago France than present day America. And one must also reason that any party can be infiltrated and hijacked. If Trotskyite neoconservatives can go from communism to fronting republicans, the GOP, and a Christian Zionist cause, then anything is possible in history and must be deeply researched.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jesus also fought rome as a revolutionary liberal conservative Jew. But as thr Son of Man, hos idea of communitarianism and individual charity was that of faith and follow of his work in God. So, from the Pagan God of man, fallaible often he was, faith in something otjer than nature and flesh was needed. Jesus took a stand against Rome but more importantly hisnown Hillel sect who went onto establish usury and banking practices that were ungodly.

Again:

The American people must learn the lesson of money or they are LOST.”

---Gordon Clark

Money and banking talk is dry, it doesn't have to be. For if we understaand the human nature of this parasitism, the simple ingenious of this scheme and its profit and power seeking, it being a deep and embedded charachterisitic of human nature which can be prevented by its opposite or left to reign free in work as a parasite. But we do not have the money people think we do, they are bank notes, promissory notes ; everyone of them in circulation today is debt. Debt that will never be repaid.

Interestingly, sects of Jews used Jubilees to forgive debt every seven years. Of course these Jubilees ended in many way for Jews if living under an enemy king ; and it was only for Jews But we see today creditor Jubilees for the very rich, for the corporations and banks ; trillion dollar handicaps that we are not suppose to question, instead we must be divided within our own class, whether it be fighting about a farmer on welfare who might obtain a extra pay that a worker of the same class eventually has to pay for in Taxes. There's a stigma today of not keeping criticism within your own class, this allows the banking apparatus and the oligarchy to roll on indebting people indefinitely.