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[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You're right. I say "we" though in the sense that humans have been, for millennia, wittingly or unwittingly, educating each other into accepting more and more atrocious, unrealistic, deluded concepts and ways of being. Most of us can't even see actual Reality anymore, and don't know that the thoughts and ideas in our heads are not even ours. I say "we" in the sense that we all bear some responsibility (and I don't mean blame here) for those terrible few having grabbed the reins, for their wrong ideas having usurped our perceptions, and for their ongoingly horrible actions continuing to become more horrible.

If we don't recognize our collective part in it, how will we ever stop the crap? It's kind of like, imo, a body system's white blood cells have to recognize not only the pathogen, but their innate capacity to go out and overcome it. And it's sad when the WBCs get so tired of fighting on every front that they are no longer able to hold the viruses and parasites at bay.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I see what you mean and I agree. However at the same time, there are people who have literally given their lives to try and correct this sort of thing. Lots of and lots of people, in fact. And by saying "we don't care" you're dismissing the very hard work and effort that millions have already put in to this, to try and correct it, just because you're not seeing the outcome you prefer. It comes across as a bit dismissive of past struggles, tbh, almost stated as if we've just invented the concept of standing up for morals, haha. That's all I mean.

[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh dear, I didn't mean to be or sound dismissive, thank you for pointing it out! I think it comes down to the fact that I see everything as an Us, in the sense that the goods/bads/neutrals are all part of one, let's say, organism. You are entirely correct that it is important to keep the inclusive totality in mind, and not fall into despair about the destructive bits. While it is also important to recognize and identify the destructive forces, we can't resolve those unless and until we recognize our power and capacity to do so. And encourage the collective being to honor and support its strong fighters, rather than persecute them and put them into places like Belmarsh.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agree completely, we have to take the good along with the bad, but still keep our eyes on where we're trying to go. Things aren't so bad, but they could always be better.