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[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And the Nazis were... Socialists...? (Fascists)

And the DPRK (Democratic Republic of North Korea) are democratic...?

Western capitalist democracies also have murderous intent (slavery, Iraq, Cambodia, Laos, etc.)

Authoritarian clubs all with murderous intent. I think we are making similar arguments with nuanced differences.

The common thread in my assessment is the authoritarian nature of the ones committing the atrocities.
I'm not aware of any grassroots events that compare.

Edit: I would argue that justice is a grassroots value.
Justice does not serve power.

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

i agree with all of that, but

And the Nazis were... Socialists...? (Fascists)

--> any socialist is communist in the long run; the goal of socialism is communism (lenin)

And the DPRK (Democratic Republic of North Korea) are democratic...?

still commies. they cant be democratic without free elections. in marxist terms, they have a so called democratic dictatorship. its an oxymoron, but they are explaining it saying demos is for people, so the dictatorship is by the people (demos) who form the majority, therefore it is justified and the free elections are simply 'untimely' because reactionary forces would take advantage of it. so its better for the time being to stick to communist dictatorship.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There's plenty of excellent socialist programs in the US.

  • Police force don't send you a bill (subject to circumstances).
  • Fire fighters don't send you a bill (that's recently changed in blighted areas for some fraudulent reasons).
  • Sewer services are largely socialized with a monthly fee.
  • Roads and bridges are generally socialized.
  • Utilities are controlled for socialist principles.
  • Water is generally socialized (for better or worse, Flint :-0).
  • Land line phone service.

These were all implemented during times of new deal social-capitalism. No one complains about these programs (excluding the police, for understandable reasons).
That's a list of sweet social-capitalist benefits. Proven, functional non-totalitarian, socialism.. Let's keep it. :-).

Had these others been introduced we probably would benefit similarly

  • Cell phones.
  • Cable tv.
  • Internet service.
  • Heath care. (Instead of spending trillions on nukes. Do it like Japan does... They can't be that much smarter than the West!?! They're definitely not commie's!).

What do you think? ;-)

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Land line phone service

I complain and the monopolies on rural phone services and utilities spying on my in home behavior through smart meters and then sending that data to corporatists and marketers.